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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#24376: Jan 29th 2017 at 7:52:39 AM

(^~^): With Trunks' time machine...during his moral transition. Clearly.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#24377: Jan 29th 2017 at 7:57:26 AM

That is another option.

The wish-granting dragon genitalia are far more convenient though, and Vegeta's known about them, and had access to the woman who knows how to locate them for literally decades.

Literally the only three things that could stop him would be Goku, an exchange with Shenron that ended with the dragon telling him to screw off, and I suppose one of the two Future Warriors.

edited 29th Jan '17 8:00:07 AM by Soble

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#24378: Jan 29th 2017 at 8:12:22 AM

I suppose it depends on whether Vegeta is the kind of person to be satisfied with "it may not be the one I'm living in, but there's a timeline out there now where that event didn't happen", the way Trunks is.

DBZ Vegeta, maybe. Abridged Vegeta, probably not.

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#24379: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:31:18 AM

Vegeta cares about the Saiyans only inasmuch as they function as a label for the greatness that is Vegeta. Like, even when there were only four of them left, he was thoroughly apathetic to their existence. Remember when Raditz died? Nappa actually wanted to use the Dragon Balls to revive him, but Vegeta nixed the idea because Raditz was too weak and got himself killed.

And then he personally killed Nappa for being crippled using the same logic, before proceeding to try and kill Goku and Gohan. If Vegeta had his way, he would be the only Saiyan left. He directly contributed to his own race's extermination without an ounce of hesitation or remorse.

Later, he was completely ambivalent to the fate of the Saiyans when Dodoria dropped the reality of Planet Vegeta's extermination on him. Frieza killed their race, but Vegeta had no shits to give because, again, Vegeta doesn't care about their race.

The only time Vegeta ever found a shit to give about the Saiyan plight, it was in his dying moments when he needed to impress upon Goku the urgency of killing Frieza. And as soon as he was back, he was right back to flipping the Saiyans the middle finger.

Vegeta takes a lot of pride in being a Saiyan, because being a Saiyan is one of the things that makes him one of the most powerful beings in the universe. But make no mistake: he does not care about individual Saiyans and his only true objection to the race becoming extinct is that he would have to die to achieve it.

EDIT: TLDR, every time he boasts of his Saiyan heritage, he is not saying, "My species is glorious and through my awesomeness, we will shine ever brighter!" He is saying, "The Saiyans were a glorious race, and therefore I am glorious by default! WORSHIP MY AWESOME GENES!!!"

edited 29th Jan '17 9:37:53 AM by TobiasDrake

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#24380: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:51:27 AM
WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#24381: Jan 29th 2017 at 10:03:13 AM

I don't think the Dragonballs could revive people who have been dead for so long. As for the time machine its been established that it doesn't change history so much as create an alternate timeline, so it wouldn't effect THIS timeline. Conceivably Vegeta could just say "screw it" and live in THAT timeline, but I don't think he actually wants to rule. He's a fighter, not a leader. I don't think he'd know how to rule a planet. It would be super interesting to see him try, which is one reason why the Broly movie is so disappointing. They give him a planet to rule and he barely emotes whatsoever.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24382: Jan 29th 2017 at 10:09:05 AM

I mean, the fact that Vegeta cares about the Saiyans as he's dying with no expectations of revival indicates that he does care about them some.

A lot less than he cares about himself, but. In a universe even without Vegeta, the Saiyans should probably survive and also be avenged.

As for Goku wanting a good fight. It occurs to me that the only time Goku comments about Buu being a good fight is as he's killing Kid Buu.

Like, not the only only time, but. Like. Goku does try to prevent Buu being released, and thinks Vegeta is stupid.

Super Buu scares the shit out of Goku. And he doesn't want to fight him on his own.

Vegeta accuses Goku of sandbagging against Kid Buu, prolonging the fight for the thrill, but Goku denies it and says that no, Super Saiyan 3 just really sucks.

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#24383: Jan 29th 2017 at 10:18:00 AM

I don't think the Dragonballs could revive people who have been dead for so long. As for the time machine its been established that it doesn't change history so much as create an alternate timeline, so it wouldn't effect THIS timeline. Conceivably Vegeta could just say "screw it" and live in THAT timeline, but I don't think he actually wants to rule. He's a fighter, not a leader. I don't think he'd know how to rule a planet. It would be super interesting to see him try, which is one reason why the Broly movie is so disappointing. They give him a planet to rule and he barely emotes whatsoever.

Given that Planet Vegeta is well beyond the one year time limit, they could if they did it one at a time. But that's hardly an effective way to resurrect an entire planet full of people.

So if he cared to, Vegeta could use the Dragon Balls to revive a handful of specific individuals from Planet Vegeta. Maybe bring back his crew: Nappa and Raditz. His father. Anyone else of interest he might have known before the genocide. But Shenron does not have the power to restore the entire Saiyan race.

EDIT: Something I've brought up from time to time, in fact, is that it seems unfair that Vegeta - who is exceptionally evil even for a Saiyan, and by far the most sinister of the three - gets to redeem himself and live a happy life while Nappa and Raditz rot in Hell. I love that TFS found a workaround for Nappa, even if Raditz is still f*cked.

Vegeta accuses Goku of sandbagging against Kid Buu, prolonging the fight for the thrill, but Goku denies it and says that no, Super Saiyan 3 just really sucks.

XD There was a bit more to it, but this is a fantastic way of summarizing that.

edited 29th Jan '17 10:22:44 AM by TobiasDrake

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#24384: Jan 29th 2017 at 2:17:59 PM

his only true objection to the race becoming extinct is that he would have to die to achieve it.

I love this. evil grin

edited 29th Jan '17 2:18:28 PM by KnownUnknown

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24385: Jan 29th 2017 at 2:51:04 PM

I mean, he got shot through the heart literally and still told Goku to avenge the Saiyans. While crying.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#24386: Jan 29th 2017 at 3:54:32 PM

But make no mistake: he does not care about individual Saiyans and his only true objection to the race becoming extinct is that he would have to die to achieve it.

Wow when you... put it that way it almost makes Vegeta out to be a total cunt.

edited 29th Jan '17 3:54:47 PM by Soble

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#24387: Jan 29th 2017 at 4:43:06 PM

[up][up] That just shows that Vegeta cares more about the legacy of the Saiyans (or more cynically, the idea of the Saiyans' legacy) than he does about the actual Saiyans themselves.

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#24388: Jan 29th 2017 at 7:01:44 PM

FUN FACT: Despite Goku, Vegeta, and their progeny horribly inflating the power people think of when they think of Saiyans, the average Namekian warrior may in fact be more powerful than the average Saiyan warrior. Nappa was considered an Elite Saiyan with a battle power of 4,000, whereas the random, nobody Namekian fighters that Dodoria killed each had a battle power of 3,000.

Also, when Vegeta was mouthing off to Nail at Guru's place, Nail could absolutely have taken him. Vegeta had a battle power of 30,000 at the time, to Nail's 42,000. If the Ginyus' arrival hadn't interrupted everything, Vegeta's antagonism of our protagonists would still have ended right then and there, in a much more violent fashion.

EDIT: And, of course, Piccolo grows to become significantly more powerful than either Goku or Vegeta, so there's that as well. The only reason he falls behind is because they have Super Forms that apply a fancy multiplier to their base power. That Android Saga Piccolo is even capable of rivalling Goku and Vegeta means he is fifty times stronger than them.

edited 29th Jan '17 7:06:54 PM by TobiasDrake

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24389: Jan 29th 2017 at 7:23:17 PM

Namekians are stated to have above average power levels by Vegeta, but lower than Saiyans. Using those three as your typical Namekian probably has a few pit falls though, like, they could have been that strong just by having their potential awoken.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24390: Jan 29th 2017 at 7:29:22 PM

I mean, were they Dragon Clan or Warriors, and what's the actual natural ratio of the two?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#24391: Jan 29th 2017 at 7:41:08 PM

Come to think of it, Nail is the only Warrior type Namekian.

But those Mook-mekians that Dodoria fought were 3000 each. That's actually pretty impressive.

So Namekians and Saiyans both have incredible potential. The former have Fusion and on a good day, Guru's hidden potential unlock, while the latter their numerous transformations and Zenkai.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#24392: Jan 29th 2017 at 7:43:19 PM

whereas the random, nobody Namekian fighters that Dodoria killed each had a battle power of 3,000.
Those nameless Namekian fighters were the best fighters on Namek sans Nail.

edited 29th Jan '17 7:50:52 PM by Memers

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24393: Jan 29th 2017 at 7:57:41 PM

Nail was the only Namekian from the Warrior Clan on the planet until Piccolo showed up.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#24394: Jan 29th 2017 at 8:02:26 PM

What happened to the rest of them? Were they exterminated along with the albino namekians?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#24395: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:07:33 PM

Yeah.

Did you forget Dodoria ploying through them like a knife through butter?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24396: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:13:45 PM

The ones Dodoria killed weren't Warrior Namekians. Apparently.

Just really strong Dragon Clan Namekians that knew how to fight.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24397: Jan 29th 2017 at 9:43:29 PM

Also, when Vegeta was mouthing off to Nail at Guru's place, Nail could absolutely have taken him. Vegeta had a battle power of 30,000 at the time, to Nail's 42,000. If the Ginyus' arrival hadn't interrupted everything, Vegeta's antagonism of our protagonists would still have ended right then and there, in a much more violent fashion

I'll admit, I'd actually like to see an alternate version of events that ends with Nail beating the spiky hair off Vegeta's head. Preferably mid-gloat.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#24398: Jan 29th 2017 at 10:35:40 PM

When the Saiyans wipe out a planet's civilization, though, they usually turn into their giant monkey forms to do it, which multiplies their power many times over. So a species having equal or better power levels than base-form Saiyans isn't necessarily that big a deal. As the series goes on, it just gets easy to forget that Saiyans normally have that power.

Speaking of which, has there ever been a piece of Dragon Ball media where someone went Oozaru and Super Saiyan at the same time, becoming a giant, golden monkey?

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#24399: Jan 29th 2017 at 10:41:46 PM

Isn't that the Golden Great Ape Super Sayian 4 form?

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#24400: Jan 29th 2017 at 10:54:16 PM

[up][up]Ever since GT.


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