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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#24126: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:43:09 PM

And then Piccolo happened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sEINMGorTE

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#24127: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:44:43 PM

The DB moon might just not be very tough

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#24128: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:00:19 PM

The DB moon is the Yamcha of celestial bodies.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#24129: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:07:44 PM

Monster Carrot got fucked, man.

EndlessSea LEGENDARY GALE from oh no you don't Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#24130: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:09:23 PM

More like the Krillin, since it keeps getting brought back.

Also, I remain convinced that Kuwabara could totally take on Cell simply because his sword is stupidly broken and does pretty much whatever he wants it to. Seriously, Kuwabara can do fucking anything with that thing- mostly because he's too dumb to realize most of the stuff he's doing is actually completely fucking impossible.

but HOW?
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24131: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:15:35 PM

Not really. He doesn't do very much with it. Sure he can cut dimensions, but that ability kind of came out of nowhere to serve the plot and wasn't used much. Otherwise, everything he does with it just boils down to it being a standard Ki Attack that can take many shapes.

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#24132: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:32:53 PM

You don't think being able to cut dimensions would be stupidly potent against any enemy regardless of strength?

but HOW?
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#24133: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:35:53 PM

[up]I'm pretty sure that the phrase "cutting dimensions" doesn't actually mean anything.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#24134: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:36:46 PM

It does in anime-land; exhibit A, the Meidō Zangetsuha.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#24135: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:40:02 PM

You don't think being able to cut dimensions would be stupidly potent against any enemy regardless of strength?

You'd think so but he still ended up jobbing to Sensui.

edited 20th Jan '17 11:40:40 PM by Moth13

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24136: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:44:08 PM

[up]x4 No, because I think disregarding strength entirely is a really bad idea

Especially in Shonen

Plus yeah jobbing to Sensui and all that. It's quite simple: if the "hax" techniques in a series aren't able to overcome the brute force users within that series, they're helpless against crossovers with even more powerful series.

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#24137: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:47:43 PM

I mean, he'd probably kill Sensui with it, it's just that it's still limited to Kuwabara's speed, so you know, you can still dodge it.

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#24139: Jan 21st 2017 at 3:07:01 AM

Roshi's official Power Level is 139 while holding back, and 180 while in his absolutely shredded form. The Kamehameha multiplies the user's Power Level by a factor of approximately 2.22, as shown when Goku's Power Level jumped from 416 to 924, which means that the Kamehameha that Roshi destroyed the moon with was probably hovering around 400 in Power Level. Later on, Piccolo (with weights) did the same feat, with a casual blast and a Power Level of 329.

Roshi destroying the moon is not, mathematically, an outlier.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#24140: Jan 21st 2017 at 3:16:03 AM

It is a fucking Shonen series. It doesn't take itself as seriously as you are taking it.

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#24141: Jan 21st 2017 at 3:19:04 AM

I'm not taking Dragon Ball all that seriously. It's not difficult math.

Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#24142: Jan 21st 2017 at 3:23:47 AM

I think you're misunderstanding what people are taking issue to— The problem isn't the relative power levels of the people that've destroyed the moon, but that destroying the moon is a significantly more impressive feat than anything else accomplished by people around that level of strength

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24143: Jan 21st 2017 at 3:47:08 AM

There's also a few problems with the logic you're using,

1) The Kamehameha does not always appear to be a 2.2x multiplier, we have one example of that and at least two examples where it wasn't doubled (against the Galick Gun and against 50-70% Freeza - it could just be because of the Kaio-ken, but we don't know) as well as numerous examples of it not being so strong against those similar to Goku's strength unlike what an attack twice as powerful as him would suggest. We also know from Kuririn's original, weak Kamehameha that it can fluctuate in strength depending on the user.

2) Roshi's battle power of 180 was not attributed to his buff form, it was attributed to himself at the 22nd Budokai where he'd become stronger through training. His 139 was his Saiyan arc reading, neither are accurate for his moon-busting self.

3) This is not acknowledging how casual destroying the moon is compared to smaller scale feats that are used as a sign of power.

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#24144: Jan 21st 2017 at 4:09:01 AM

That third thing could just be chalked up to Writers Have No Sense of Scale.

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#24145: Jan 21st 2017 at 4:10:15 AM

[up][up]1. This is fair, but to assume that Master Roshi, the man who invented and perfected the technique, isn't good enough with it for it to drastically increase his Power Level is selling the man short.

2. Good point, so we don't know his Power Level at the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai, and we don't know how much stronger his muscular state is. We can extrapolate that it is stronger than him when he's skinny, since he uses it every time he needs to fire off a titanic Kamehameha, and we can guess that it is mechanically similar to Trunks' buff Super Saiyan form, but that's just a guess, and there are no factual numbers to go off of.

3. However, Roshi destroying the moon was not in any way casual or intended as a joke, it was clearly supposed to be an awe-inspiring feat of off-the-charts destructive power, much like his previous feat of accidentally vaporizing a mountain. Any future references to city or island busting power as impressive are purely through the eyes of people unfamiliar with the destructive power of Ki, like Yajirobe, in the context of the classic Dragon Ball technique of compressing the blast radius to minimize the collateral damage, or referring to a group of people containing many super-powerful individuals as a potential threat.

[up]Toriyama mentioned in an interview the distance between the Dragon Ball Earth and Moon, and it's the same distance between them in Real Life.

edited 21st Jan '17 4:16:31 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

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#24146: Jan 21st 2017 at 4:19:05 AM

[up] Perhaps but that doesn't mean he understand just how much power blowing it up would require. After all, in the Cell Saga, it's mentioned that the bomb inside Cell will blow up the entire Earth and blowing up the Earth is a surface explosion is next to impossible.

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Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#24147: Jan 21st 2017 at 7:21:52 AM

The writing for Kami and Nail here was straight out of DBZA.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#24148: Jan 21st 2017 at 7:32:47 AM

Giorno Giovanna couldn't destroy the moon, but he could punch all of the DB cast out of reality. tongue

Hell, Marilyn Manson (the Stand) could beat most characters. At least the ones that die to not having organs and can be talked into a losing bet.

edited 21st Jan '17 7:35:38 AM by Zeromaeus

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#24149: Jan 21st 2017 at 7:51:41 AM

A one minute fight that lasts for 5 minutes.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#24150: Jan 21st 2017 at 8:10:05 AM

There was no other ending for that one. Intangibility means J'onn dodges all of Piccolo's best moves.

That's even ignoring the similar argument that could be made for him that's been made for Goku vs Superman since he's in the same tier as the latter.

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