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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24076: Jan 17th 2017 at 1:27:31 AM

I feel like looking at two traits that both rely on the existence of the other to be relevant, and trying to cherry pick one that's more important, is a futile effort. And may, in fact, be outright fallacious.

The question of whether Trunks as a Saiyan or Trunks as a Time Traveller is more important to whether he was ultimately able to save his timeline and facilitate the rescue of our heroes' timeline is a foolish one, because obviously wouldn't have been able to do either if even one of those two wasn't true. Attempting to ascribe primary importance to one when both are of vital and indepentent importance doesn't work.

Now, the claim of whether Trunks-as-time-traveler or Trunks-as-Saiyan is more important to the narrative is a different question entirely, albeit one that one side of this argument seems to be posing and the other seems to not care about. It's a role that leans more to the former during the first half of the saga (particularly, when 17 and 18 were the main threat of the saga and Trunks' mission was more dominant in his personality), and more to the latter (or more accurately, leans more to Trunks-as-Vegeta's-son) in regards to his role during the second half of the saga. Where Trunks was important to the narrative steadily shifted bit by bit across the course of the ongoing plot.

edited 17th Jan '17 1:38:35 AM by KnownUnknown

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#24077: Jan 17th 2017 at 8:42:33 AM

Gohan being the 1% of Saiyan fighters? Now I'm imagining him as a stereotypical rich asshole laughing over Goku, Vegeta, Nappa, and Broly who are wearing potato sacks.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24078: Jan 17th 2017 at 8:47:35 AM

If he wasn't a Saiyan, time travelling would do nothing to let him defeat Cell - see what happens when Trunks tries to defeat the Androids without overpowering them. He gets killed by Cell.

I mean, in fairness, he did still get Cell out of his timeline.

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#24079: Jan 17th 2017 at 9:00:42 AM

Of course, regardless, it's all meaningless in the end because Zamasu is going to come along and kill everyone before becoming Skybox Zamasu resulting in Zeno just deleting that entire timeline.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24080: Jan 17th 2017 at 9:04:56 AM

I mean, I don't think he got the timeline that Future Future Cell came from.

..."Our" Cell? The "main" Cell we know, as opposed to the Cell that got killed by Krillin and the one that got killed by Trunks. Gohan's Cell.

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#24081: Jan 17th 2017 at 9:11:29 AM

It would all depend on if Timeline B, where the Androids were defeated and Cell never happened, and Trunks went back to his Timeline A weak enough to be killed by Imperfect Cell, ever had Godly adventures.

edited 17th Jan '17 9:12:12 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24082: Jan 17th 2017 at 9:14:59 AM

But that would have been a different Zeno.

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#24083: Jan 17th 2017 at 12:08:37 PM

it was Gohan, who just needed to stop studying and do some really good training. Proper training is the only difference between future Gohan and present Gohan's ability to handle the Androids/Cell.

Training is studying for the body when you think about it. So in actuality, Gohan didn't need to stop studying, but study in a different way through proper training to bring out his potential.

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#24084: Jan 17th 2017 at 2:41:46 PM

I feel like looking at two traits that both rely on the existence of the other to be relevant, and trying to cherry pick one that's more important, is a futile effort. And may, in fact, be outright fallacious.

The question of whether Trunks as a Saiyan or Trunks as a Time Traveller is more important to whether he was ultimately able to save his timeline and facilitate the rescue of our heroes' timeline is a foolish one, because obviously wouldn't have been able to do either if even one of those two wasn't true. Attempting to ascribe primary importance to one when both are of vital and indepentent importance doesn't work.

That sounds more correct than what I said, yeah. Upon hindsight, my post did pose a false dichotomy, a "either/or" that need not be there.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
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#24086: Jan 19th 2017 at 10:19:36 PM

I dunno, they're not doing it until probably a few episodes from now.

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#24087: Jan 19th 2017 at 10:37:25 PM

When Hellsing...

They'd have to put out three episodes before the end of the year to not be behind schedule after this year. I hope they do, because I really enjoy the series. Mainly Walter.

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#24088: Jan 19th 2017 at 11:25:07 PM

I'm pretty sure like 10 people actually like Hatchiyak.

And fewer can actually pronounce it's name right on the first try.

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#24089: Jan 19th 2017 at 11:39:18 PM

Unless it requires specific pronunciation, it doesn't seem that hard to say.

Hatch-yak...

Ha-chi-yak...

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#24090: Jan 19th 2017 at 11:47:36 PM

I pronounce it Ha-tchi-yak.

I think the original Japanese is Ha-tchi-ya-ku, but I watched that a long time ago.

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#24091: Jan 20th 2017 at 7:10:34 AM

I say Hatch-ee-yak.

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#24092: Jan 20th 2017 at 8:26:15 AM

I pronounce it Cell.

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God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#24093: Jan 20th 2017 at 8:28:18 AM

I haven't got a goddamn clue what you all are talking about.

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#24094: Jan 20th 2017 at 8:33:14 AM

Ha-tchi-yak. is how I saw it.

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#24095: Jan 20th 2017 at 8:39:28 AM

[up][up] The villain from Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, the least widely known Dragon Ball movie that they probably aren't going to bother with. I mean, Goku outright told Gohan during WEN BROLY, "I think your movie is next."

He's a revenge-driven bio-android built by the Tuffles to avenge their species by eradicating the Saiyans. You may be familiar with his more well-known derivative, Baby.

edited 20th Jan '17 8:40:17 AM by TobiasDrake

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#24096: Jan 20th 2017 at 8:43:24 AM

That's Dr. Raichi, the actual Big Bad of the film. He built Hatchiyack, the thing the others fight at the climax of the film.

edited 20th Jan '17 8:44:21 AM by VeryMelon

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#24097: Jan 20th 2017 at 8:52:18 AM

Wen Demigra

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#24098: Jan 20th 2017 at 9:55:59 AM

TFS said back in their trailer for Battle of Gods that they'd abridge Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, and they stated back in their post-Broly stream that they had plans for it. Kaiser said something about maybe doing two versions of the film for the two versions released on the TFS subreddit as well.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24099: Jan 20th 2017 at 10:16:46 AM

On the one hand, one of the versions is (slightly) longer, on the other, the other version is slightly better animated.

...Or, at least, was animated more recently, and was originally available digitally, and so the animation quality has degraded less over time. Whereas the other was on. I wanna say VHS tapes?

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#24100: Jan 20th 2017 at 11:05:06 AM

I was thinking they were holding off on the OVA so they could maybe like...idk, do a "Choose your own Path" Arbidged Movie.


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