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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#24053: Jan 15th 2017 at 10:10:56 PM

I just learned what that song in Episode 20 was. Never watched any wrestling as a kid.

"You are one bad dude, Goku."

[up] The strongest man in the world, the champ, Mr. Satan himself of course!

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24054: Jan 16th 2017 at 6:02:27 AM

That's not "raw" training, that's training made possible by the existence of a time machine and the cure to a heart virus (after all, no cure, no one to reveal that the ROSAT exists).

I'm not addressing the "Dragon Balls" point, anyway. I don't think the characters would make that point, either. Trunks' future exists pretty much because Piccolo risks his life every time he fights and nobody tries to stop him, anyway (funnily enough, if Future!Piccolo had been the sort of role model that Chi-Chi approved of, the Dragon Balls would still be around).

Then you're not addressing the entire reason I brought up Future Trunks' timeline: it was to counter the idea that the Dragon Balls justified what is clearly just Chi Chi being an idiot. The very reason that line is delivered is a classic "Education Mama takes skewed priorities and exaggerates them to contradictory levels" by acting like the destruction of the world is less important than Gohan's education. She wasn't thinking of the Dragon Balls like Wander suggested, which is what I responded to, and even if she did she's still wrong because the hypothetical doomsday scenario they're talking about won't be fixed by the Dragon Balls and won't be solved by excluding Gohan.

Also, I'm fairly sure that the Future Androids would have killed their share of scholars in their rampage. Being a non-combatant doesn't make you safer when the entire population is at stake.

Oh, and as for bringing up that Trunks is the son of a scientist: as if that is the reason he's good at anything he does. He's not a scientist and didn't inherit anything there. He's the son of a Saiyan and that's where he gets his strength, the only thing he really has in his favour.

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#24055: Jan 16th 2017 at 6:04:05 AM

Yeah, Team Four Star seems to include some enormous professional wrestling fans, as the entire Recoome fight, and several moments in their Nuzlocke runs, would suggest. Also, they were at Wrestlemania last year (and their logo was conspicuously featured when The New Day came out of a giant box of Booty-O's cereal dressed as Saiyans).

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24056: Jan 16th 2017 at 7:07:25 AM

Oh, and as for bringing up that Trunks is the son of a scientist: as if that is the reason he's good at anything he does.

Kinda is. I mean, he tried fighting the Androids a bunch and got his ass kicked every single time. He didn't get strong enough to beat them and also Future Imperfect Cell until he went back in time. He needed his mom to do that for him.

Trunks without a time machine isn't good for much other than getting his ass beat and probably dying.

edited 16th Jan '17 7:08:25 AM by unnoun

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#24057: Jan 16th 2017 at 7:54:34 AM

Not if the original finale of Z is anything to go by.

By the time Pan is born, the people of Earth are still pretty weak.

The finale is only, like, ten years after Buu. Gohan's still got a lot of years ahead of him. It's not like the finale has him getting murdered by Androids or something. tongue

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24058: Jan 16th 2017 at 7:57:33 AM

I mean, he might still be undergoing research and peer review and stuff.

Academia isn't exactly fast.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#24059: Jan 16th 2017 at 8:13:13 AM

He ought to get tenure and the like to have the cred to publish that. And he is what, 26 at most at the end of Z? Yeah, he may be finishing up his phd, if EVERYTHING went smoothly. Afterwards, he'd have a doctor before his name, but it'd take another decade or so to get his own group (and that if he is brilliant enough), and maybe tenure in yet another decade.

On the other hand, one of the most prestigious scientists in the world is his dad's bestie, and his father-in-law is the largest star in the world and officially a venerated hero, so he'd have it easy...

Yeah, Chi Chi is kind of a dumbass, interpersonal connections are damn useful at being a productive member of society, but that's what being sheltered ends up being.

Also, Doctor Son Gohan sounds badass.

edited 16th Jan '17 8:13:45 AM by Eriorguez

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24060: Jan 16th 2017 at 8:19:29 AM

Knowing Bulma probably helps with a lot.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#24061: Jan 16th 2017 at 10:52:51 AM

After the end of the Buu saga the people of the Earth believe that Satan saved them from annihilation. (And this time he actually did help, unlike with Cell.) In the first episode of Super they even give him 100,000,000 Zeni for it. But Shenron had erased peoples memories of Buu, so what did they think he saved them from exactly?

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#24062: Jan 16th 2017 at 10:55:22 AM

Their memories of all the destruction and death got erased, so (since Satan did that whole telepathic speech about helping him kill Majin Buu) they just think Satan saved the world before it got that bad.

edited 16th Jan '17 10:56:28 AM by Enlong

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#24063: Jan 16th 2017 at 6:32:04 PM

[up][up] Since they don't remember Boo himself, they instead remember that Mr Satan saved them from something.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#24064: Jan 16th 2017 at 6:42:05 PM

Watched the Broly movie. Enjoyed it. The funniest part for me was when Gohan asked what sadism was and Goku was like, "ask your mother."

I think that was the first time we got Goku knowing something Gohan didn't, and the first time Goku deliberately passed the buck on parental responsibility.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24065: Jan 16th 2017 at 6:43:44 PM

[up][up]That sounds incredibly fragile.

[up]Or, phrased a different way, a moment of him being a stereotypical dad.

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#24066: Jan 16th 2017 at 6:46:11 PM

You really need to rewatch the movie with the canadian subtitles turned on, they add a bunch of jokes.

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#24068: Jan 16th 2017 at 7:57:17 PM

God damn, so much Rush.

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#24069: Jan 16th 2017 at 8:04:21 PM

How have I not seen this before? Holy crap.

The legend has returned.
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#24070: Jan 16th 2017 at 9:03:41 PM

As a Canadian, I'm both amused and insulted.

It's insultingly amusing, and amusingly insulting.

I demand apologies from everyone involved in this.

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#24071: Jan 16th 2017 at 9:05:40 PM

Not everyone is Canada land is a bud...

This is so full of lies...

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JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#24072: Jan 16th 2017 at 10:53:24 PM

Then you're not addressing the entire reason I brought up Future Trunks' timeline:
See, I was musing that, while Chi-Chi's methods are a bit extreme (that sentence in particular being as hyperbolic as she can be), I can agree with her original sentiment, that Gohan is better off pursuing more than just the fighting life of the meatheaded main cast (the "Z-Warriors", if you will).

And the Future Trunks timeline just so happens to be an argument in her favour, not the other way around. None of the bullheaded Z-Warriors could do anything, and even Goku would likely die against 17 and 18. Gohan followed their footsteps and he likewise died another fruitless death, his only legacy was teaching Trunks some fighting basics. Meanwhile, Bulma and the scientists who cured the virus had a bigger role in defeating the Androids than the Z-Warriors did.

Also, I'm fairly sure that the Future Androids would have killed their share of scholars in their rampage. Being a non-combatant doesn't make you safer when the entire population is at stake.
Scholars are better at hiding, whereas the Z-Warriors were among the first to die.

Just saying, it's pretty clear which lifestyle is likelier to get a person killed.

Oh, and as for bringing up that Trunks is the son of a scientist: as if that is the reason he's good at anything he does. He's not a scientist and didn't inherit anything there. He's the son of a Saiyan and that's where he gets his strength, the only thing he really has in his favour.
I meant the android threat was borne of a scientist, not Trunks.

At any rate, unown already tackled the other point I was going to make: Trunks being a time traveller is more important to his role in the story than him being a Saiyan.

edited 16th Jan '17 10:54:07 PM by JonnasN

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#24073: Jan 16th 2017 at 11:00:49 PM

At the same time, if it weren't for the "meathead main cast", Bulma making the cure and time machine would have been pointless since the androids couldn't be stopped. Even if they found Gero's lab and killed him before he finished work on them, Cell would just kill them all at some point or another.

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#24074: Jan 16th 2017 at 11:14:47 PM

You don't think they would have been able to beat an Imperfect Cell?

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#24075: Jan 16th 2017 at 11:46:37 PM

[up] Well, without the meatheads, there is literally no-one who can stop Cell. Some things can only be solved by punching, the way God (of Destruction) intended.

See, I was musing that, while Chi-Chi's methods are a bit extreme (that sentence in particular being as hyperbolic as she can be), I can agree with her original sentiment, that Gohan is better off pursuing more than just the fighting life of the meatheaded main cast (the "Z-Warriors", if you will).

And the Future Trunks timeline just so happens to be an argument in her favour, not the other way around. None of the bullheaded Z-Warriors could do anything, and even Goku would likely die against 17 and 18. Gohan followed their footsteps and he likewise died another fruitless death, his only legacy was teaching Trunks some fighting basics. Meanwhile, Bulma and the scientists who cured the virus had a bigger role in defeating the Androids than the Z-Warriors did.

That is pretty blatantly twisting the situation to suit that position. No, it doesn't support that argument at all, because future Gohan wasn't a scholar and wouldn't have fixed a goddamn thing if he was. Other people who are already super gifted scientists were the only help, and even then they just assisted the "meatheads" who ultimately solved everything with their fists.

They got killed out because they weren't prepared enough. Training is 90% of that preparation. The Z warriors are the ones who ACTUALLY defeated the Androids/Cell. It's an outright lie to say anyone else can have a bigger role than that. Especially given that Goku wasn't even the one who saved the day, it was Gohan, who just needed to stop studying and do some really good training. Proper training is the only difference between future Gohan and present Gohan's ability to handle the Androids/Cell.

Scholars are better at hiding, whereas the Z-Warriors were among the first to die.

Just saying, it's pretty clear which lifestyle is likelier to get a person killed.

That's asinine. The Z warriors are much harder to kill, and the more 'hard to kill' people on your frontline, the less likely you are to have the doomsday scenario in the first place. The fact that the Z warriors put their lives on the line to protect everyone doesn't make them worse examples to follow.

At any rate, unown already tackled the other point I was going to make: Trunks being a time traveller is more important to his role in the story than him being a Saiyan.

No, him being a Saiyan is infinitely more important to his timeline. If he wasn't a Saiyan, time travelling would do nothing to let him defeat Cell - see what happens when Trunks tries to defeat the Androids without overpowering them. He gets killed by Cell.

Meanwhile, without time travel, there is still a chance that he'd become strong enough to eventually defeat the Androids or Cell, however slim. He become over fifty times stronger in three years of training completely on his own, and we know he has the potential based on what he achieved in the Room of Spirit of Time. Without the proper mentor or the use of the room, it'd be much harder, but not out of his reach.

But, I'm not saying that science is unimportant to the heroes because of that. Just obviously less important to the trains that actually end up solving problems.

Besides, Bulma's family is so 1% in every aspect that using her as an example of what Chichi should expect for Gohan is ridiculous. Meanwhile, Gohan is the 1% of Saiyan fighters. It's very obvious what is worth more there.


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