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Darthwyn leader of Inherit from The void Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#23401: Dec 31st 2016 at 6:58:48 PM

Though with super buu it is more he ate your loved ones and is now using their power then he has DNA of various people. That and he is far less limited in who he can bring into himself than cell.

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DS9guy Since: Jan, 2001
#23402: Dec 31st 2016 at 8:17:38 PM

I recently watched a video talking about how the Ginyu Force are kind of pointless from a narrative standpoint. That made me remember the DBZ Kai abridged version of the Freeza Saga where the team introduces themselves... only for Goku's ship to cash and kill them all. [lol]

edited 31st Dec '16 8:17:53 PM by DS9guy

Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#23403: Dec 31st 2016 at 8:25:50 PM

[up] Well, they do serve to show how much more powerful Goku is then the rest of the cast by this point, but that's about it.

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#23404: Dec 31st 2016 at 8:36:29 PM

They serves more of a purpose than that. Think about it. If the Ginyu Force didn't exist. Vegeta probably would have either killed or tried to kill Gohan and Krillin for their Dragon Ball only to almost certainly be killed by Nail. If Vegeta succeeded in killing Krillin and Gohan (or even just one of them) then Goku's Super Saiyan transformation wouldn't have happened. Also, Nail would have no reason to delay Freeza at any point so he wouldn't be almost killed by him. If he's not dying in the middle of nowhere, Piccolo doesn't run across him and thus doesn't fuse with him. If Piccolo can't fight evenly with Freeza's second form, he might not drag out the fight long enough for Goku to arrive. Since Vegeta's certainly dead, he won't be around for any of it so there goes someone else capable of dragging out the fight long enough for Goku to arrive. He also wouldn't be revived by the Dragon Balls so there goes his contributions to the rest of the franchise. Everyone probably dies to the Androids (Future Gohan might be able to warn them in Future Trunks' place but who knows).

Believe it or not, there's actually almost no excess fat in Dragon Ball's narrative. If you change one detail, you'll likely change a lot of future events.

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#23405: Dec 31st 2016 at 8:54:59 PM

You could just have Gohan and Krillin make a wish with Dende while Nail holds Freeza off, when Vegeta arrives to rage at them. Have Freeza show up immediately after Vegeta and Vegeta forces himself to team up with Krillin and Gohan to fight a common threat, like what actually happened with the Ginyu Force. Bam, fat's cut out (even if said fat was extraordinarily entertaining), and Freeza can be made exactly 10 times weaker, killing the Power Creep.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#23406: Dec 31st 2016 at 8:55:56 PM

One benefit to writing by the seat of your pants with no actual plan.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#23407: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:18:59 PM

I actually think that Bibidi finding some ancient primal evil and giving it a body explains away how Buu was so stupid powerful.

I dislike how it takes the character away from "manmade science project who kills gods" to "eldritch horror who killed the old gods." Dragonball has a theme of mortal surpassing gods, from Kami to Supreme Kai, and the former works better for that if you ask me.

We never really needed a reason for why he was powerful - the Androids were several times stronger than any data Gero could've collected on Son Goku and his friends and we accepted because, well, he's a crazy mad scientist. Well so was Babidi.

edited 31st Dec '16 9:25:36 PM by Soble

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#23408: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:21:04 PM

[up][up][up] The problem with this is that it's impossible. It doesn't factor in the previous sequence of events, transit times, and flight speed. Vegeta is way faster than Gohan and Krillin so they'd never make it to the other Dragon Balls even if they decided to skip going to see Guru (which would be bad since Gohan helps delay Freeza to give Goku time to get there).

While you could make it to where Goku gets there earlier and change up events to get a similar result without the power ups, I feel like what makes that entire struggle great would be lost in the process.

edited 31st Dec '16 9:21:14 PM by Zelenal

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#23409: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:33:15 PM

One benefit to writing by the seat of your pants with no actual plan.

This is true.

I mean, how many fics have we seen get sunk due to how you can't change certain things too much without utterly derailing the plot completely?

It's usually if you change this thing, then so and so comes along later and kills everyone.

Indeed, Dragonball is pretty thin on alternate scenarios.

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#23410: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:37:38 PM

Curious: there a fix where Raditz had survived against Goku and Piccolo and got stranded on Earth? Effectively becoming like Vegeta does.

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#23413: Dec 31st 2016 at 10:32:51 PM

And a shitty knockoff called "Some Limits Are Meant to Be Broken" that says before the fic even starts "THIS ISN'T LIKE BREAK THROUGH THE LIMIT, GUYS"

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#23414: Dec 31st 2016 at 10:44:33 PM

wen broly?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#23415: Dec 31st 2016 at 11:05:18 PM

Piccoro wouldn't have been revived in that scenario where Veggie kills Gohand and Krillin...

No wonder many what-if scenarios rely on absurd and/or unlikely possibilities.

edited 31st Dec '16 11:05:41 PM by randomness4

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#23416: Jan 1st 2017 at 12:02:05 AM

I love the what-if in Supersonic Warriors 2 where Piccolo gets possessed by Babidi's magic, single-handedly kicks the shit out of Fat Buu, and takes over, even using his new power to bring Cell and Freeza back from the dead as his own personal minions, because apparently he can just do that.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#23417: Jan 1st 2017 at 12:14:51 AM

Yeah some of the SSW2 stories are just really bad pandering.

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#23418: Jan 1st 2017 at 12:16:24 AM

You mean amazing, right? tongue

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#23419: Jan 1st 2017 at 12:26:15 AM

Sounds better than Dragon Ball Multiverse's Demon King Piccolo fusing with Kami and conquering the world.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#23420: Jan 1st 2017 at 12:31:01 AM

[up][up] Fuck no I don't. That what-if was one of the worst official stories I've ever read.

It's just so nonsensical in bad, and it ends with Piccolo "redeemed" continuing to be an asshole over everyone as they fawn over how great he is.

And this is Gohan's story mode.

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#23421: Jan 1st 2017 at 12:56:38 AM

Nope, sorry, it's amazing. tongue

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#23422: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:31:52 AM

Wacky shit like that is fun. You do know what fun is, right?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#23423: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:35:07 AM

yeah and more importantly I know pure shit when I see it

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#23424: Jan 1st 2017 at 1:58:30 AM

Guess it can be both, because why not?

Absurdity is neutral.

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#23425: Jan 1st 2017 at 8:43:21 AM

Honestly, that sounds straight up terrible and not in the So Bad, It's Good way way but in the "Why the fuck is this even a thing" way. And I'm usually one who doesn't mind these what-if scenarios, but goddamn that sounds like 13 year old fanfiction shit.

"hey. hey guize what if Piccolo becomes EVIL again and beats all of the bad guys, that'd be AWESOME RIGHT!?"

edited 1st Jan '17 8:43:37 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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