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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#23351: Dec 31st 2016 at 1:31:40 AM

The Otherworld looks boring as crap, though.

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#23352: Dec 31st 2016 at 1:50:47 AM

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that.

Also, it's kinda lame that the sky is always lit.

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#23353: Dec 31st 2016 at 4:58:07 AM

The problem is that we don't really see any of it in canon beyond the check-in station, Snake Way, Kaiou's planet, and that brief glimpse of Hell (I can't remember if that glimpse of heaven was pure filler or not). We know from Grandpa Gohan and Goku that there's at least one other place where people who have their bodies can hang out so there might be something else interesting there.

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#23354: Dec 31st 2016 at 6:49:11 AM

I see Saiga operates under the A Million Is a Statistic mindset. It's not a wrong mindset, but it's still pretty fucked up lol.

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#23355: Dec 31st 2016 at 6:55:42 AM

It's not A Million Is a Statistic, it's the exact opposite if anything. What he's saying is that he death of a few people is absolutely nothing compared to the death of a lot of people. It's basic utilitarianism: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

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#23356: Dec 31st 2016 at 7:04:00 AM

Oh right, I always get those two mixed up.

Oh well, those guys in Anime filler never mattered anyway so nobody's gonna miss them.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#23357: Dec 31st 2016 at 8:47:19 AM

It's worse than perma-death...but it's not like they were ever gonna come back to life and it's definitely not like their non-existant loved ones were also gonna keep their bodies...

So, it's all good.

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#23358: Dec 31st 2016 at 8:58:58 AM

Saiga's not really wrong on this one, though. Yamcha getting perma-killed just isn't as much of a threat as Goku and Vegeta being unable to stop Majin Buu because he won't give them a second of breathing room.

As I noted earlier, the anime makes Buu less of a threat by making it possible to evade him. That Goku and Vegeta legitimately lost him by being taken to the Kaioshin world means he's no more dangerous than Cell or Frieza. It means it's entirely possible to just give him the slip and form a plan of attack.

That nerf goes both ways, too. Anime Goku and Vegeta had way more time than their Manga counterparts did to come up with something, so the fact that they were as much at a loss for what to do when they did summon Buu to their location as they were in the Manga kinda makes them both dumber.

Ultimately, this bit of filler makes Goku, Vegeta, and Buu all shittier for the sake of threatening Yamcha with permadeath - a threat that would later be made anyways in a much more dire situation when Vegeta takes on that risk.

EDIT: Also, if Kaioshin's planet doesn't qualify as the afterlife than I fail to see why Daikaio's does. It wasn't exactly Bulma, Chi-Chi, and Dabura's picnic Buu was threatening.

edited 31st Dec '16 9:01:57 AM by TobiasDrake

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#23359: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:17:39 AM

Nah, Saiga is totally wrong. Actually showing the dangerous stuff Buu can do makes him much more of a threat than inferring he will do stuff. It's the whole Frieza's threat level vs Cell's threat level conversation all over again.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#23360: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:22:04 AM

No, I agree that wiping out life in the universe is a bigger deal than killing already dead people. The dead can't threaten Kid Buu anyway, bu the living Goku and Vegeta could still stop him from ending all life. I also agree that giving Goku and Vegeta time to make a plan makes them both look dumb.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#23361: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:28:11 AM

It's not an either or situation. Buu was blowing up living planets and attacking the afterlife in that filler.

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#23362: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:29:02 AM

In other words, Toei once again ruins Dragon Ball for everyone. Next time, water is wet.

[up] And none of those planets or Afterlife people matter as much as Goku or Vegeta because they are literally the only ones capable of stopping Boo. So what if a few people die, they can just use the Dragon Balls to restore them. As for the afterlife, they're ultimately mooks with no bearing on anything, even Krillin and Yamcha. I mean yea, it'd suck to see them die but they're death wouldn't have any lasting impacts beyond making a few people sad as opposed to the alternative of nothing being capable of stopping Boo.

edited 31st Dec '16 9:31:25 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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#23363: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:30:25 AM

Eh, if there was no filler we'd still find something to argue about.

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#23364: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:32:31 AM

That's beside da point lol. Toei's additions to the Anime..while not terrible, don't really add much to the series overall and at worse, contradict events that take place.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#23365: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:34:39 AM

Vegetarian wasn't alive while he was fighting Boo...so that was a thing.

They wouldn't have had an idea on how to stop Boo no matter how much time they had...one option is the only option.

edited 31st Dec '16 9:36:15 AM by randomness4

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#23366: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:36:48 AM

[up][up]I disagree. (which is why I've been having this whole conversation lol)

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#23367: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:46:07 AM

True. Now that it's been explained, I kinda have to agree that Buu just coming right after them before they can form any sort of plan (which is a thing with him really) is much worse then them being forced to bring him there after actually losing him (and still not coming up with much of a plan).

Yes, the death of those characters who are already dead, and could be perma-killed is bad, but if Goku and Vegeta die, then those people will die anyway because then Buu will go after them.

So yeah, Toei pulled a boner on this one. And they don't even have the excuse of having no way of knowing Toriyama would come up with something different later due to his Writing by the Seat of Your Pants nature. By this point, the manga would have been done, so they shouldn't have had to worry about contradicting him.

I guess they wanted to add some punch to it, but they ultimately failed to do even that.

edited 31st Dec '16 9:47:04 AM by HandsomeRob

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#23368: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:49:05 AM

Its OK, I'm sure those nameless planets and the prospect of permadeath for characters who ceased being relevant years ago was just too important for Toei to leave out.

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#23369: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:53:53 AM

That is the truth...it probably was.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#23370: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:57:02 AM

Again, it succeed at giving punch in my eye because an inferred threat we're not explicitly told he knows how to do is not nearly as scary as an on screen one. It puts him on a level of dangerous that the other bosses, or Buu in the manga, did not show off. That the characters threatened with death are minor characters is irrelevant, what matters is that Buu attacks what is assumed to be untouchable by baddies and with more dire consequences for all life (not just Vegeta). Attacking Goku and Vegeta does not have the same punch because that's what he's been doing all arc. It's nothing new.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#23371: Dec 31st 2016 at 9:59:13 AM

If Goku and Vegeta can't stop Kid Buu you get the same exact scenario you're defending, but worse.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#23372: Dec 31st 2016 at 10:01:32 AM

Yeah, Moth 13, it's not an assumption he's going to do that, it's all but certain given his nature and the fact that he has the ability to do so.

Destroying everything is all there was to Pure Buu. You're the one making the assumption that Otherworld wouldn't be on his radar/he wouldn't care about it.

edited 31st Dec '16 10:01:54 AM by LSBK

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#23373: Dec 31st 2016 at 10:02:30 AM

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#23374: Dec 31st 2016 at 10:07:49 AM

January 1st, from what I keep hearing. So tomorrow.

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