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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#23326: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:06:19 PM

I mean, I'm pretty sure it's still mentioned in the manga that if Vegeta dies again he'll just cease to exist.

And the realm of the Kais or whatever existing outside the Universe doesn't really make sense. Even if it's not the afterlife, that doesn't mean he couldn't get to the afterlife.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#23327: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:06:43 PM

Well, yes it is. Because in the original Vegeta faces that risk.tongue

It's pretty telling that the anime's way of making Boo menacing has absolutely no effect on the plot. The destroyed planets can be easily reversed, and even if he had successfully killed anyone in the afterlife it wouldn't actually impact their chances of killing Boo.

Meanwhile, Boo being able to instantly find Goku and Vegeta means he could have potentially killed everyone there and gone on to destroy everything else unopposed.

edit: He can get to the afterlife because he's copied Kaioshin's ability to teleport literally anywhere without requiring a ki signature to do so.

edited 30th Dec '16 10:07:23 PM by Saiga

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#23328: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:10:07 PM

Yes, that's what I meant. A lot of people don't realize that's a different technique from Instant Transmission.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#23329: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:14:09 PM

Although Goku's ability also allows one to teleport to the afterlife anyway, it's just that Boo's got the strictly superior version of that.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#23330: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:16:13 PM

Well, yes it is. Because in the original Vegeta faces that risk.

No it's not the same thing because Vegeta chose to go fight him, Kid Buu didn't teleport to a supposedly safe space and pose a direct danger to a bunch of innocents who wouldn't be able to come back like all the other innocents he slew.

And that he could have theoretically done it in the manga doesn't mean anything because it isn't made explicit as a threat.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#23331: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:18:45 PM

It's still the same result even if Vegeta chose to take it. And honestly, killing a bunch of innocents just isn't as threatening as killing the only people capable of stopping him.

It'd be a tragedy, yeah, but if he's not stopped than he will destroy everything as Kaioshin said.

edited 30th Dec '16 10:19:24 PM by Saiga

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#23332: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:20:32 PM

And, I mean, it's not Buu like wouldn't have have started slaughtering people in Other World, anyway.

edited 30th Dec '16 10:24:25 PM by LSBK

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#23333: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:22:44 PM

Well...until he pisses off Beerus, at which point he just destroys him like he did Zamasu and moves on.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#23334: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:24:00 PM

You really don't see the difference between Buu actually facing down people who could have been erased forever at any time on screen and looking back after the fight is done and thinking "yeah he probably could have done that idk"?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#23335: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:28:28 PM

The only difference I see is one of them is being deliberately misconstrued by you.

We know Boo can do that from his abilities. We're outright told that left unchecked he will continue to destroy without end. It's very basic.

And really, if he's going to destroy everyone in the universe like he was said to, there would be no reviving anyone once New Namek goes.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#23336: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:35:55 PM

In the manga we are not told he knows how to teleport to the afterlife specifically. In retrospect we can look back and think that "yeah he could probably do that". But it is not presented as a clear and present danger the way the anime throws it into our face.

And really, if he's going to destroy everyone in the universe like he was said to, there would be no reviving anyone once New Namek goes.

If Buu murderers a whole bunch of the afterlife, and then Goku and Vegeta kill him, those people are screwed forever. It's a kind of direct threat you don't get from just being really strong.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#23337: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:38:38 PM

I mean, if you understand how the technique he copied works, and they do lay out the difference between Instantaneous Movement and Instant Transmission, it's pretty easy to figure out what he's going to do.

You shouldn't have to be told he can go to the afterlife, specifically, when the technique explicitly lets the user go wherever they want.

edited 30th Dec '16 10:40:09 PM by LSBK

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#23338: Dec 30th 2016 at 11:56:22 PM

[up][up] Those people being screwed forever doesn't mean a whole lot when everyone else is fine and the threat is finished.

It's not "oh yeah he can probably do that" it's "he can DEFINITELY do that, it is explicitly what the technique can do". They do need to show him almost doing it to show he can do it, that's just obnoxious.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#23339: Dec 31st 2016 at 12:43:42 AM

It might be more impressive to show him doing it, before people even bring up the possibility that he can do that. More surprising that way? I don't know, I'm just musing a bit.

Those people being screwed forever doesn't mean a whole lot when everyone else is fine and the threat is finished.

Okay, that's just callous.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#23340: Dec 31st 2016 at 12:47:20 AM

it really isn't. Boo is simply on a far greater scale of danger than that.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#23341: Dec 31st 2016 at 12:49:18 AM

Again, until he pisses off Beerus once the guy wakes up and finds half the universe destroyed, or until Pure Buu finds himself on Beerus' planet, and either wakes up Beerus or gets taken out by Whis or something.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#23342: Dec 31st 2016 at 12:52:53 AM

[up][up] I'm not saying that it's not true, but simply that saying "in the grand scheme of things, their Cessation of Existence isn't really important" is kind of a dick thing to say, no matter how true it might be.

And I suppose I just dislike devaluing individual lives in such a manner.

edited 31st Dec '16 12:54:50 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#23343: Dec 31st 2016 at 12:55:03 AM

I don't care if it's a dick thing to say when it is true.

[up][up] Even if we're talking the post BOG material into account, killing Kaioshin will just kill Beerus and deactivate Whis.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#23344: Dec 31st 2016 at 12:57:19 AM

Well, I'm sure anyone who's friends irreversibly died to Maijin Buu would be delighted to hear that.

Is a bit of common courtesy truly not considered an admirable trait?

edited 31st Dec '16 12:58:11 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#23345: Dec 31st 2016 at 12:59:25 AM

I'm sure they wouldn't be because they would no longer exist

And no, I'm not going to take it to impractical levels. When the cessation of existence of a few was compared to the destruction of the universe, there is no way to sugarcoat that.

edited 31st Dec '16 12:59:41 AM by Saiga

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#23346: Dec 31st 2016 at 1:01:38 AM

A bit of mourning would be nice. Some measure of compassion, really. Show the Otherworld you care, Saiga!

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#23347: Dec 31st 2016 at 1:20:08 AM

What has the Otherworld done for ME lately?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#23348: Dec 31st 2016 at 1:22:58 AM

Bah, young people these days - no sense of charity.

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Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#23349: Dec 31st 2016 at 1:24:20 AM

Give you a place to spend your time after you eventually die, instead of ceasing to exist and having all that you are return to the void beyond space-time?

edited 31st Dec '16 1:24:32 AM by Ssj3Gojira

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder

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