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#23301: Dec 30th 2016 at 9:50:48 AM

The KOC, as a joke unto itself (rather than as part of other jokes or as comic relief in a serious scene) seems to be something that isn't being don't as much lately. Which makes sense, as repetition of a gag on its own lessens the effect.

In my opinion, it does feel kind of like a season-1 joke, if that makes any sense. Mocking Krillin's/humans' weakness is one of the most common cornerstone jokes of DBZ parody, right alongside excessive yelling. I think it makes sense that, over time, DBZA has used it as a standalone joke less.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#23302: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:09:51 AM

First and foremost, this is about humor through the setting and characters, and for most of the characters at least some of the humor is going to be at their expense.

It's pointless to complain about that in itself, but I get being annoyed with how they go about it. Like, I get making jokes about Goku's (lack of) parenting skills, but some of the jokes they make about it aren't internally consistent.

edited 30th Dec '16 10:11:32 AM by LSBK

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#23303: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:10:35 AM

Given what they did to the Namekian Guru, I have a hard time seeing Team Four Star go, "Nah, that's too dark a turn for the character."

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#23304: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:48:31 AM

We had the Krillin Owned Count clicking repeatedly as he desperately tried and failed to save 18. They haven't retired the joke just yet, it seems.

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#23305: Dec 30th 2016 at 11:13:05 AM

Him getting with 18 and settling down sounds like the perfect way to end that running gag.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#23306: Dec 30th 2016 at 11:22:24 AM

I've never particularly liked them manufacturing "owned moments" but if something happens I don't see why it should "retired".

The above mentioned moments with Cell were treated entirely seriously otherwise, and they still kept it. I mean, if they want to end the joke fine, but I still don't see why getting married should end it. The two things are entirely unrelated.

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#23307: Dec 30th 2016 at 11:33:25 AM

I dunno, retiring the joke just because he gets married and has a kid doesn't make sense. He's a Butt-Monkey because he's weak and shortsighted, not because he's single and desperate. The latter's just a saltshaker for his already-painful wounds.

edited 30th Dec '16 11:34:03 AM by Anomalocaris20

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#23308: Dec 30th 2016 at 11:36:54 AM

[up]That. I'm sure they're going to do some nice heartfelt stuff with his life with Lazuli and Marron, but that's a separate issue.

Note, I'm not in love with the Krillin Owned Count, but take away making fun of Krillin and there's even less for them to do with him.

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#23309: Dec 30th 2016 at 12:14:23 PM

The way I see it, the KOC reached it's peak either in Kai Abridged 1 where it exploded or when Freeza got a one up from it while impaling him with his horn.

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#23310: Dec 30th 2016 at 12:26:35 PM

So this entire conversation was about the Krillin Owned Count? He's still got moments worth counting in the Buu Saga, so don't expect it to drop until then.

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#23311: Dec 30th 2016 at 1:10:41 PM

I think any moments where the Krillin Owned Counter goes off in a serious and dire situation where you're supposed to be rooting for Krillin are ment to be Black Comedy.

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#23312: Dec 30th 2016 at 1:12:29 PM

IIRC, the last possible one would be when he gets turned to chocolate and eaten.

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#23313: Dec 30th 2016 at 1:18:07 PM

That one should happen over 18's screaming and horrified expression.

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#23314: Dec 30th 2016 at 1:37:51 PM

[up][up] No no, he can still also be owned by failing to stop Kid Buu in the Otherworld filler scene.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#23315: Dec 30th 2016 at 1:39:44 PM

Oh yeah, that has both Krillin and Yamcha trying and failing to accomplish anything. They can't walk away from that. I also found him being treated like rag doll legitimately funny there.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#23316: Dec 30th 2016 at 1:43:27 PM

Also, there's Krillin being punched by Broly in Second Coming. So we got at least four more Krillin Owned moments in the Buu Saga era stuff.

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#23317: Dec 30th 2016 at 1:45:01 PM

Movie moments don't count for the tally.

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#23318: Dec 30th 2016 at 9:06:47 PM

The way I see it, the KOC reached it's peak either in Kai Abridged 1 where it exploded or when Freeza got a one up from it while impaling him with his horn.

"Krillin, stop! You're making him stronger!"

Speaking of, I would have loved if they'd implied that the 1-Up was how he survived the Genki-Dama.

EDIT: I'm not expecting to see Pure Buu fighting Yamcha and Krillin in the afterlife. TFS tends to cut out most of the filler sequences that contribute less than nothing to the plot, and that one definitely counts.

Sometimes they make an episode of it, but usually it just gets cut. It helps that one of them - Kaiser, I think? - is a manga purist.

edited 30th Dec '16 9:08:02 PM by TobiasDrake

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#23319: Dec 30th 2016 at 9:09:48 PM

Well, it doesn't necessarily contribute to the plot, but the scene does honestly add to Kid Buu's frightfulness by showing that not even the afterlife is safe from his destructive wrath.

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#23320: Dec 30th 2016 at 9:11:54 PM

The story already does that, though. It does that when Kaioshin offers Goku and Vegeta safe harbor on his planet - which exists on the "after" side of that barrier - and before they can even think of a plan, Pure Buu teleports himself over there to resume his campaign of annihilation.

That filler sequence makes Pure Buu weaker by disallowing him from simply pinpointing them from across the veil of life and death and instantly pursuing.

In the anime, he legitimately loses track of them once they've teleported over to Kaioshin's planet, so he just starts smashing things in a rage. They have to power up to give him a beacon to follow. In the manga, there is no escape from Majin Buu, even if you flee to the afterlife to get away.

edited 30th Dec '16 9:14:23 PM by TobiasDrake

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#23321: Dec 30th 2016 at 9:15:04 PM

I would have loved if they'd implied that the 1-Up was how he survived the Genki-Dama.

I thought that was implied. He got 2 1-Ups: One for the Spirit Bomb and one to come back as a cyborg.

edited 30th Dec '16 9:15:38 PM by LordVatek

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#23322: Dec 30th 2016 at 9:20:28 PM

So, does part two of Broly come out tomorrow or on New Year's Day?

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#23323: Dec 30th 2016 at 9:56:59 PM

[up][up][up] Except the Sacred World of the Kais isn't in the Afterlife, it exists outside the universe/macroverse entirely in its own separate sphere.

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#23324: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:00:18 PM

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Though the fact that he goes right to blowing countless worlds when he couldn't locate them did show ruthless and destructive kid buy was. So the manga and anime make him a threat just in different ways.

edited 30th Dec '16 10:01:32 PM by Darthwyn

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#23325: Dec 30th 2016 at 10:03:19 PM

Yeah, the dead characters in the afterlife getting accosted by Kid Buu and being threatened with permanent death no more takebacks is legitimately scary in a way that wasn't present in the original.


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