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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#22851: Dec 22nd 2016 at 10:14:53 AM

We get it, Saiga, your favorite arc is the Saiyan Arc. Some of us disagree: I personally would put it in the bottom half of Dragon Ball story arcs.

Not particularly constructive man, I will never understand this aversion people have to someone actually thoroughly explaining their opinion and why they disagree with something.

Just going, "I disagree" is fine, but that's not for everyone. I mean, you seem to hold seem deeply disagreeable opinions about things but it never really seems like you back them up adequately that people wouldn't even bother questioning them.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#22852: Dec 22nd 2016 at 10:15:23 AM

I mean, King Piccolo was literally an embodiment of evil.

Like, demons in Dragon Ball are different from that, but I'd be perfectly fine considering King Piccolo a demon in a more colloquial sense.

...I kinda wish/hope that Mira and Towa will get involved in Dragon Ball Super to some extent. Like. The Dragon Ball Online and the stuff about the Makaioshin indicates Toriyama put at least some thought into the Demon Realm and stuff.

edited 22nd Dec '16 10:19:00 AM by unnoun

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#22853: Dec 22nd 2016 at 10:53:41 AM

You keep disproving your own point.

Only if you assume that Toriyama being effective at communicating the ideas in his work is part of my point. I have never accused him of being a brilliant visionary. Quite the contrary, I have repeatedly stated that Dragon Ball would have benefitted greatly from even the slightest bit of foresight.

Cell, as a concept, embodies everything that came before him. He's the culmination of Goku's entire journey. A deadly casserole of every foe Goku's ever faced.

That he does a shit job of it is on execution, not concept.

Regarding Piccolo Daimao

I can definitely support him for #3, though it bugs me that they're doing that thing again. On multiple occasions, some in-show, TFS has complained about Piccolo getting downgraded from demon to alien. The issue with this is that it's not really a thing.

Piccolo is a demon because he is the evil counterpart of God. He's Dragon Ball's Satan figure. He is also an alien because the person who ascended to become Earth's current God is a Namekian. Consequentially, Piccolo is both a Namekian and Satan. He is an alien demon. He was never demoted.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#22854: Dec 22nd 2016 at 11:15:49 AM

Anyway, favorite technique I'm gonna go with my top three:

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#22855: Dec 22nd 2016 at 11:48:54 AM

PAPER!

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#22856: Dec 22nd 2016 at 11:58:37 AM

Cell's concept, at it's core, is that he's a biologically manufactured bug monster absorbing others in order to become stronger. None of that does in any way embody the arcs that came before him. That he's created by a retroactive member of the RRA and that his genetic code happens to include the DNA of a bunch of previous characters has nothing to do with who he is conceptually.

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#22857: Dec 22nd 2016 at 12:00:19 PM

Not counting that Cell basically never mentions or references the RRA. At least the Androids all wore the RRA icon, and one of them WAS a former RRA member.

Cell's connection to the RRA is incidental, barely notable, barely referenced.

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#22858: Dec 22nd 2016 at 12:20:28 PM

Guys, the best technique is obviously Clothes Beam.

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#22859: Dec 22nd 2016 at 12:36:53 PM

The best technique in Dragon Ball is bukujutsu.

The characters wouldn't have gotten anywhere without it.

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#22860: Dec 22nd 2016 at 12:38:41 PM

[up] Except they did for most of Dragonball! :-P

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#22861: Dec 22nd 2016 at 12:40:20 PM

True but, without bukujutsu, everyone would have died at multiple points.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#22862: Dec 22nd 2016 at 12:44:43 PM

I mean. Would falling really hurt any of the characters by this point?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#22863: Dec 22nd 2016 at 12:51:25 PM

My favorite techniques in Dragon Ball are Galactic Doughnut, Spirit Sword, Super Dragon Fist, Ice Ray, Solar Flare, and Candy Beam.

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#22864: Dec 22nd 2016 at 12:56:40 PM

[up][up] Well, see, it's not just fall damage they'd have to worry about; it's travel speed, too. For example, if Goku couldn't fly, it would have taken him way longer to go back across Snake Way and return to Earth. By the time he arrived, Gohan and Krillin probably would have been long dead.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#22865: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:01:43 PM

The best technique in Dragon Ball is "touch people and turn them into carrots".

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#22866: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:01:44 PM

Bukujutsu should definitely rank high on any list of best techniques because it's the only technique that is so ubiquitous to the series that many fans actually forget it's a technique. Despite not being introduced until the 22nd Budokai and some characters never even learning it, it's become a universal staple of the franchise.

Nobody even thinks about it anymore. Designing a Dragon Ball character? Well, s/he flies. How does s/he fly? When did s/he learn bukujutsu? Doesn't matter. It's a Dragon Ball character, s/he goddamn flies.

Hell, thanks to the West airing Z before DB, there are even parts of the fandom that never found out it's a technique and not just something that anyone who learns to use ki can do. It's deeply ingrained in the soul of the series.

edited 22nd Dec '16 2:03:06 PM by TobiasDrake

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#22867: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:07:26 PM

[up] Wasn't there one episode that had Gohan teaching bukujutsu to Videl, though?

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#22868: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:14:07 PM

Yeah, but it still comes off as Ki manipulation instead of a separate tech.

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#22869: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:16:05 PM

Did Roshi ever learn to fly? I forget.

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#22870: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:18:13 PM

You don't need to fly when you have mini-Gamera! I don't know, though. He may just not use it on principle since it was one of his rival's signature techniques.

edited 22nd Dec '16 2:19:03 PM by Zeromaeus

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#22871: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:29:16 PM

To be fair, it's only considered a technique on Earth. Every other race we've seen knows how to fly no problem; even Dende knew how to fly when we first met him.

edited 22nd Dec '16 2:29:36 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#22872: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:31:39 PM

He never learns how to fly...he never uses levitation either, but you brought it up...

edited 22nd Dec '16 2:32:50 PM by randomness4

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#22873: Dec 22nd 2016 at 2:59:28 PM

Despite not being introduced until the 22nd Budokai and some characters never even learning it, it's become a universal staple of the franchise.

Pretty sure Puar predates the 22nd Budokai. And he flies.

Every other race we've seen knows how to fly no problem; even Dende knew how to fly when we first met him.

Even Freeza's soldiers, who need blasters coz they can't do any Ki blast, know how to fly o_O

edited 22nd Dec '16 3:07:04 PM by Ghilz

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#22874: Dec 22nd 2016 at 3:31:19 PM

Pretty sure Puar predates the 22nd Budokai. And he flies.

Isn't Puar a she?

edited 22nd Dec '16 3:32:10 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#22875: Dec 22nd 2016 at 3:37:36 PM

Most of the attacks in Dragonball seem largely interchangeable to me but I guess the Makanapplesauce is visually distinct.


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