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ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#2251: Nov 6th 2012 at 11:36:32 AM

It's a story within a dream within an alternate universe within an adaption that's gone back in time.

There. That explains everything.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
AndroidChaos The Trope Seeker from Mexico Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
The Trope Seeker
#2253: Nov 6th 2012 at 2:33:36 PM

If I could possibly resolve this as best I can, I do remember just a bit of stuff about Dragon Ball that will make sense.

Civilizations rise and fall when its people multiply and eventually goes extinct. We have to remember that the planet in question wasn't Vegeta in the first place, it was called Plant. We just saw the original inhabitants of the planet and it's quite possible that when Chilled's forces came by or some other evil expeditionary force arrived, something happened to the original civilization and the Saiyans eventually rose to become the newest race on top of the planet (Though you can also argue that the Saiyans may have gone to war against the Plants and eventually took over the planet once they started to evolve).

It took them lots and lots of years, but the Saiyans eventually claimed the planet. Then the Tuffles came along and there was a bit of an uneasy coexistence during that time. Then the Saiyans decided that they'd wanted the planet for themselves for real and then things got along as well as all of you can expect. Then they rechristianzed the planet from Plant to Vegeta in honor of the ruling family that rose to lead the Saiyans and the rest is history.

As for that last part, yeah, It Was All A Dream, Gohan. You can go back to sleep now. smile

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2254: Nov 6th 2012 at 2:47:33 PM

Those purple things being called "Plants" is a complete fabrication on the DB wiki's part.

They tend to make shit up, I wouldn't go there if you want information about Dragon Ball rather than Blatant Lies.

In the original EoB manga/OVA, those little purple things weren't given a name at all. All we know about them is that they lived on a planet that resembles a primitive Planet Vegeta, and that they have medicine that resembles the fluid used in Freeza's healing tanks.

Tuffles were mentioned in filler, movies and GT. Toriyama came up with the original concept but didn't flesh it out to the extent that the anime did. It's likely that Vegeta isn't actually the Saiyans planet - they're "Saiya-jin" in Japan, which means "People from Saiya". Saiya is their home planet, and they could have either renamed it to Vegeta after defeating the tuffles (what the anime and GT suggest) or left Saiya and invaded what would become Planet Vegeta (what EoB and GT suggest).

Yeah, GT tends to contradict itself like that.

edited 6th Nov '12 2:47:53 PM by Saiga

AndroidChaos The Trope Seeker from Mexico Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
The Trope Seeker
#2255: Nov 6th 2012 at 9:30:51 PM

We all believe what we want to believe.

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#2256: Nov 6th 2012 at 10:31:17 PM

In Abrdiged-verse Episode of Bardock, it's all a dream. The problem is that the dream ended because nothing made sense and the logical mind of the dreamer caused him to wake himself up. But he was only able to know it was a dream because he had knowledge he couldn't have possibly had[[/spoiler.

Hence why Piccolo told Gohan to go back to sleep at the end. The normal/canon world of DBZ doesn't make much more sense, really, and if Gohan keeps thinking about it too hard, then we start going all Tomato in the Mirror route, and he starts waking up from multiple layers of dreams...[[/spoiler tongue

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2257: Nov 6th 2012 at 10:34:28 PM

Pretty sure Piccolo told him to go back to sleep so that he wouldn't notice that Piccolo was naked from the waste down and stroking his backside.

Colonial1.1 Purveyor of Obscurity from The Marvelous River City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Purveyor of Obscurity
#2258: Nov 6th 2012 at 10:39:31 PM

—Rolls eyes—

"He could not know it. For it was not all a joke."
uselessNINJA Since: Sep, 2012
#2260: Nov 7th 2012 at 3:15:59 AM

Methinks Gohan got hold of the Muffin Button.

nairoxev Since: Nov, 2011
#2261: Nov 7th 2012 at 5:10:31 PM

It is like what Gohan said: None of that makes any sense.

Also, maybe dream Gohan knows about psychic powers because Goku told him Bardock's story before telling Episode of Bardock in the same dream. :P
But there is no way Goku would have known the story either.

—-

  • So, here is my explanation: Goku was feeling very curious about his origins. So he went out and asked King Kai about that. Then King Kai tele-casted Bardock's story to Goku and his friend through Kai-o-TV.

  • Also, I just figured out there was a legit case of Foreshadowing in the beginning of the movie. When they retell the story of Bardock's death. The only difference is Bardock saying: Crap baskets!, which is really Gohan's Oh, Crap! catchphrase .

edited 7th Nov '12 5:14:51 PM by nairoxev

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#2262: Nov 7th 2012 at 6:37:36 PM

Yeah, I picked up on that line too, and it was definite Fridge Brilliance.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#2263: Nov 7th 2012 at 9:29:20 PM

^^I meant that DREAM Goku told him story of Bardock in the same dream he was told Episode of Bardock tongue

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Sharknado Warning
#2264: Nov 8th 2012 at 11:43:39 AM

Tuffles were mentioned in filler, movies and GT. Toriyama came up with the original concept but didn't flesh it out to the extent that the anime did. It's likely that Vegeta isn't actually the Saiyans planet - they're "Saiya-jin" in Japan, which means "People from Saiya". Saiya is their home planet, and they could have either renamed it to Vegeta after defeating the tuffles (what the anime and GT suggest) or left Saiya and invaded what would become Planet Vegeta (what Eo B and GT suggest).

IRC (And I'm not digging my Mangas out to check), in the Manga it's made clear the Saiyans aren't from Vegeta, but that their original planet was destroyed by the Legendary Super Saiyan. I know the Show actually shows this happening, while in the Manga it's all narration from Vegeta.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2265: Nov 8th 2012 at 3:16:00 PM

Nope, the planet exlosion was anime only.

edited 8th Nov '12 3:16:55 PM by Saiga

vanishingreality from Sinnoh Since: Aug, 2011
#2266: Nov 10th 2012 at 11:09:50 AM

I like the idea that those purple dudes eventually become saiyans. It's hilarious. XD "we're all super saiyans!"

nomuru2d Gamer-turning-maker from Port Saint Lucie, FL Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Longing for Dulcinea
Gamer-turning-maker
#2267: Nov 10th 2012 at 11:11:44 AM

[up]"I WILL EAT YOU!"

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#2268: Nov 11th 2012 at 6:45:09 AM

Question regarding the manga special: So what happened to Bardock after he went Super Saiyan and fought Chilled? Did he just wander off to another planet?

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
Dinosaur Hunter
#2269: Nov 11th 2012 at 10:07:11 AM

... That's a good question. Last we see of him he's just being crowded around by the cheering natives.

Courtesy Link.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#2270: Nov 11th 2012 at 10:09:52 AM

I like to think he's the progenerator of the Saiyan race as we know it today.

Filby Since: Jan, 2001
#2271: Nov 11th 2012 at 10:31:02 AM

Saiyans aren't immortal, so I assume he just lived out the rest of his life and eventually died, probably after beating the crap out of some intergalactic supervillain.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#2272: Nov 11th 2012 at 12:29:54 PM

If the legend holds, he did some stuff, then lost control of his power and blew up or something.

I have a message from another time...
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#2273: Nov 11th 2012 at 2:24:39 PM

I'd at least expect him to do something about the future destruction of his entire race.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#2274: Nov 11th 2012 at 3:01:39 PM

[up] Not much he could do about that, seeing as he would have been at least 1001 years in the past.

I think he would have left the planet and found the other Saiyans, then come back and slaughtered all the little purple things.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#2275: Nov 11th 2012 at 5:11:34 PM

Anyone have any knowledge of how far there going with this? Are they ever planning on doing GT? Plenty of stuff to make fun of their but it would take years to get there.


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