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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#22426: Dec 14th 2016 at 12:41:33 PM

To be correct, being "In character" for Vegeta doesn't mean it's not an idiot plot.

As the page says It is important to note that this is not always a bad thing, and is sometimes the entire point of the story. Part of what can make a drama so dramatic or a tragedy so tragic is that the characters truly could have avoided it if they had acted rationally instead of irrationally.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#22427: Dec 14th 2016 at 12:44:35 PM

Which is why I changed my first post. But when people use Idiot Plot, it's mostly used as if the character's decisions and behaviors don't make any sense and the story is badly written, which isn't true here.

Vegeta's decision makes complete sense as something Vegeta would do, even though it's also an incredibly stupid decision.

edited 14th Dec '16 12:46:10 PM by LSBK

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#22428: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:31:56 PM

You think Tenshinhan or the Crane School as a whole might show up in the top ten? For one thing they were the ones who introduced levitation to the franchise. Any predictions of the top ten should be preceded by asking yourself "would they believably put Hirudegarn ahead of this guy?", and in this case I think a "yes" is pretty unlikely.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#22430: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:40:13 PM

You think Tenshinhan or the Crane School as a whole might show up in the top ten? For one thing they were the ones who introduced levitation to the franchise

Nope. Puar did.

edited 14th Dec '16 1:40:22 PM by Ghilz

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#22431: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:44:14 PM

I'd put Tenshinhan on the list. I'd also put Staff Officer Black as number 1.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#22432: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:44:15 PM

Really I feel like there's only one spot that's still up for grabs. Vegetanote , Freeza, Cell, Buu, Beerus, King Piccolo, Ginyu force and the rest of Androids are pretty much guaranteed to have top ten spots, and it would be pretty odd if Babidi and Dabura were entirely absent. Which makes nine. So one spot left for the Crane school (or just Tien) or RR army. Assuming Babidi and Dabura are getting grouped together.

And there's certainly nothing else left that deserves a spot more than the things I mentioned.

Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#22433: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:45:47 PM

[up] 16, 17,18 will probably be grouped together as one.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#22434: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:46:42 PM

Yeah, I was making that assumption.

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#22435: Dec 14th 2016 at 2:01:46 PM

Yeah, by this point the list is mostly a question of who between Crane School, Red Army or Dabra+Babidi is more likely to get put behind Hirudegarn and Cooler.

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#22436: Dec 14th 2016 at 2:03:37 PM

I don't think Vegeta really deserves the top 10; most of his fame and importance came from when he wasn't a villain. As a villain, he only has his fight against Goku, while amazing, doesn't quite live up to the fights against other villains.

What made Vegeta memorable was his very long and detailed transition from villain to Anti-Hero.

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#22437: Dec 14th 2016 at 2:06:16 PM

Given that Nappa got a spot, the case that Vegeta doesn't deserve one seems weak at best to me.

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#22438: Dec 14th 2016 at 2:07:32 PM

Not sure if anyone linked this yet, but here's where they talk about supervillains, er, Super villains.

And yeah, I gotta agree with what they said about Beerus in Super vs Beerus in BOG.

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#22439: Dec 14th 2016 at 2:08:51 PM

It really depends on TFS's viewpoint. Could very well e that they don't think his face turn diminishes his importance.

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#22440: Dec 14th 2016 at 2:32:27 PM

You're all forgetting about Pui Pui. He's obviously going to be in the top three, maybe four.

edited 14th Dec '16 2:32:44 PM by Anomalocaris20

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#22441: Dec 14th 2016 at 2:33:18 PM

You think Tenshinhan or the Crane School as a whole might show up in the top ten? For one thing they were the ones who introduced levitation to the franchise. Any predictions of the top ten should be preceded by asking yourself "would they believably put Hirudegarn ahead of this guy?", and in this case I think a "yes" is pretty unlikely.

Honorable Mention more likely. My problem with ranking Tien as a villain is he more or less stopped being the villain by the end of his fight with Roshi.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#22442: Dec 14th 2016 at 2:36:23 PM

I mean, Vegeta is still an antagonist for a good chunk of Namek, and he returns to villainy for a bit during Buu.

Like, even in the Android arc. Like, he lets Cell transform, and earlier when they're at Gero's front door, he tries to blow it up, not caring if Krillin, Tien and Piccolo are caught in it.

"I will kill as many people as I have to as long as you are one of them" is not even slightly out of character for Vegeta at that point.

Like. There's a considerable chunk of the series where it's hard to tell if Vegeta is actually on the side of our heroes or if he just happens to want to punch some of the same people.

edited 14th Dec '16 2:37:18 PM by unnoun

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#22444: Dec 14th 2016 at 6:03:16 PM

Honorable Mention more likely. My problem with ranking Tien as a villain is he more or less stopped being the villain by the end of his fight with Roshi.

Not only that, but honestly... Tien's more of an antagonist than a villain. He's not evil, and basically ditches the Crane School as soon as he finds out his mentor's a dick. His grudge and rivalry with the turtle school never goes beyond "Beat them at tournament". Which is the point of a tournament. By that same standard, Krillin was a villain since he was running in the same tournament and him and Goku can't both win. Tien's a bit more villainous in the anime where in Filler they had him pull fake heroic rescues on villages. But that's filler... That and rigging the match ups for the tournament. Chaotzu does cheat, but Tien calls him off on it, and even lets Goku beat him up to make up for the advantage he got.

edited 14th Dec '16 6:09:38 PM by Ghilz

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#22445: Dec 14th 2016 at 8:13:22 PM

[up] Yeah, the very worst thing he did was break Yamcha's leg. Which was definitely assholish but when you compare that to say Nappa brutalizing and killing half the cast it doesn't hold up as much.

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#22446: Dec 14th 2016 at 8:28:27 PM

So, Beerus will in fact be on the full list somewhere. Meaning he's in the top 10 at some point. Nice to have that cleared up.

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#22447: Dec 15th 2016 at 2:58:28 AM

This is the third time that video gets linked in this thread.

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#22448: Dec 15th 2016 at 6:51:18 AM

Not everyone wants to deal with TFS's player.

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#22449: Dec 15th 2016 at 8:42:00 AM

Their website isn't very good?

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#22450: Dec 15th 2016 at 8:46:14 AM

Not anymore...

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