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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#22226: Dec 13th 2016 at 9:33:13 AM

Coz he had to be threat to Goku and Pan. And the Tuffles weren't a threat to Krillin and Gohan when they met them :-P

And don't forget, most of this happens LONG before DB even begins. Really, all Baby had to do to "Exterminate the Saiyans" was infect Dodoria, walk up to Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz and kill them.

edited 13th Dec '16 9:33:43 AM by Ghilz

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#22227: Dec 13th 2016 at 9:50:25 AM

...What I don't get is how could Myuu have been built with that Dragon Ball in him if he was made years ago and the Black Star Dragon Balls were only scattered like a month or so before Goku got there.

[up] I don't think those refugees were Tuffles.

Also, I mean. Presumably the Tuffle-Saiyan war predates the Saiyans joining the PTO. And therefore before the Saiyans got wiped out themselves.

Baby and Hatchiyak and other science projects would also predate that.

Baby was just a bit late to the draw is all.

edited 13th Dec '16 9:54:43 AM by unnoun

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#22228: Dec 13th 2016 at 9:58:02 AM

Look, Dragonball's never been known for its tight story telling, but GT manages to fail that low standard. There's a reason it's looked down upon.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#22229: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:01:06 AM

I thought it was looked down upon for not being written, produced, and controlled by Akira Toriyama.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#22230: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:02:21 AM

Well that and being pretty bad all around.

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#22231: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:04:41 AM

I dunno. I enjoyed it well enough when I first saw it. Yeah, I was a kid, but so I was when I first saw Z as well.

Of course, then I later got on the Internet, and discovered a hate for GT that made latter-day Star Wars movies look widely beloved, and I stopped wanting to discuss it.

edited 13th Dec '16 10:08:24 AM by Enlong

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#22232: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:09:44 AM

[up] (2) Fair enough.

[up] Ditto. I look back and, as unnoun pointed out, see the flaws. But I don't hate it. Super Saiyan Harambe and the idea of a parasite villain like Baby were cool. And problematic as the might be I still like the idea of the series titular wishballs becoming villains.

But, you know, GT Logic and the rap song.

edited 13th Dec '16 10:11:30 AM by Soble

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#22233: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:10:07 AM

GT as a whole is really bad, but I like some things about it.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#22234: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:14:48 AM

GT has a lot of those points that make you go "wut?"

Like, take the Black Star Dragonballs. Okay. so they were made by the Nameless Namekian. Okay. So once a wish has been granted they disperse around the universe, and if not re-gathered, they blow up the planet where Ultimate Shenron was summoned. Okay, so a few questions:

How does anyone (let alone Pilaf) know this is what they do? The guy who made them didn't even know he WAS an alien at the time, so I doubt he went on his ship to re-gather the dragonballs after giving them a test drive. Did he go through multiple planets before he realized there was a way for them not to destroy the world? Then did he feel the need to make the information about those dragon balls known enough so Pilaf could find out about it? Furthermore, how were they back on earth for Pilaf to find them all?

Not that GT is without positives. It has cool concepts, it just wavers in the execution. I love the black star dragonballs. I love Baby as a concept. Ditto the evil dragons. Just the execution tends to be... meh.

edited 13th Dec '16 10:17:01 AM by Ghilz

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#22235: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:18:35 AM

The Black Star Dragon Balls should've been made by another Namekian.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#22236: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:22:29 AM

Like who?

Only Dende and Kamicolo / Nameless have ever lived on Earth for long enough to make them.

I agree that GT had some interesting concepts that weren't executed well.

Pretty funny when you consider Toei likely planned things out a little better, but what they came up with was still incredibly inferior to Toriyama's story.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#22237: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:28:40 AM

The idea of the Nameless Namekian making Dragon Balls is neat.

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#22238: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:32:24 AM

#12. We go from one of the last villains of the series to the very first villain; Pilaf and Co.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#22239: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:36:18 AM

Like, take the Black Star Dragonballs. Okay. so they were made by the Nameless Namekian ... How does anyone (let alone Pilaf) know this is what they do? The guy who made them didn't even know he WAS an alien at the time, so I doubt he went on his ship to re-gather the dragonballs after giving them a test drive.

The Nameless Namek suffered amnesia during an accident in his youth (or... that's what the DB Wiki is saying...) The BS Balls could have been created prior to that.

Kami seemed to have intrinsic knowledge of what the balls did after creating them despite having no concept of the Namekian people or their ways. And as shown by Dende you can modify the balls and the dragon inside them to your specifications.

Since the Nameless Namek was corrupted by violence and hatred maybe he made the balls to reflect that and to destroy the world he was on, and then changed his mind before splitting. - he did opt to manifest all of his vices into a separate body.

Then did he feel the need to make the information about those dragon balls known enough so Pilaf could find out about it?

Pilaf seemed to know how and where to find the Dragonballs without any visible radar, or any other basic information other than "somebody wished to rule the world, maybe I could do the same," and later he showed up having apparently found and freed King Piccolo from imprisonment. I'm not sure if Pilaf had any idea what made the balls different in GT, but I assert that Pilaf is an agent of the plot designed to instigate rather than make any form of sense.

Furthermore, how were they back on earth for Pilaf to find them all?

They weren't previously used. Cool in concept but it failed the testing stage once the Namek realized they would blow up the world he currently lived on and had no immediate way off of (he used his ship as a house, didn't use it for space travel).

Not that GT is without positives. It has cool concepts, it just wavers in the execution.

Fair.

edited 13th Dec '16 10:42:59 AM by Soble

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#22240: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:36:59 AM

Shu and Mai...I don't get the pun.

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#22242: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:40:13 AM

Tch.

edited 13th Dec '16 10:40:38 AM by Arha

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#22243: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:41:09 AM

Right. Can someone embed #12 here on the site?

When I try and watch it on the Team Four star website, it keeps giving me the run around and not properly loading the video.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#22244: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:53:45 AM

Oh, and like TFS said, one thing GT did well is its ending. That deserves to remain as the end point of the franchise (and its spin off movie is also pretty endearing, even if the ending somehow wraps itself up a bit too neatly).

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#22245: Dec 13th 2016 at 10:57:10 AM

I thought GT's ending was considered confusing and nonsensical?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#22246: Dec 13th 2016 at 11:00:57 AM

It might be both.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#22247: Dec 13th 2016 at 11:01:19 AM

The epilogue after the Shadow Dragon bit, there's a 100 year time skip with an elderly Pan watching her grandson fighting Vegeta's great great grandson at the world martial arts tournament in the final. She catches a glimpse of Goku watching his descendant fight, tries to follow him but he vanishes. The tournament ends (without showing who between Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr won), and Goku is seen flying away on Nimbus saying "Until we meet again"

edited 13th Dec '16 11:01:40 AM by Ghilz

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#22248: Dec 13th 2016 at 11:03:43 AM

Which was probalby the lowest point of my adolescence... no more Dragonball... forever... -sniffle-

-some time later-

Oh hey Dragonball Super... wait, what!?

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#22249: Dec 13th 2016 at 11:08:17 AM

You have Dragon Ball Evolution to thank for that.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#22250: Dec 13th 2016 at 11:10:08 AM

Dunno, there's 12 years between GT ending and Evolution coming out.

(Unless you mean Super came because of Evolution?)

edited 13th Dec '16 11:11:42 AM by Ghilz


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