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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#22151: Dec 12th 2016 at 10:25:51 AM

Lets see its probably going to be Vegeta, Piccolo, Piccolo Jr,, Cell, Androids 16-18 as a group, Ginyu Force, Frieza, Cell, Buu, Babidi, Baby, Pilaf Gang, Tao as the top 13... not in any order.

Listed Cell twice.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#22152: Dec 12th 2016 at 10:42:09 AM

Oh well there we go. Beerus fits.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#22153: Dec 12th 2016 at 11:11:16 AM

This also has number 13, it's Baby.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#22154: Dec 12th 2016 at 12:08:39 PM

For the remaining groups I'm kind of predicting going:

  • 12: Red Ribbon Army
  • 11: Pilaf Gang
  • 10: Piccolo
  • 9: The Ginyu Force
  • 8: Tao
  • 7: Majin Buu
  • 6: Androids 17 & 18
  • 5: Beerus
  • 4: Cell
  • 3: King Piccolo
  • 2: Vegeta
  • 1: Freeza

Honorable Mentions: Babidi, Dabura, Crane School, Turles, Super Android 17, and the Super Villains

edited 12th Dec '16 12:09:25 PM by Lionheart0

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#22155: Dec 12th 2016 at 1:01:37 PM

With them excluding Super and such I don't see them putting Beerus in the list at all.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#22156: Dec 12th 2016 at 1:04:01 PM

Beerus debuted in a movie, so I don't think he's in any danger from being excluded.

The legend has returned.
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#22157: Dec 12th 2016 at 1:04:13 PM

They did put Garlic Jr. on the basis of his movie appearance alone, not liking his saga. So it's not impossible they might ignore Beerus' Super appearance and have him only only based on his Battle of Gods appearance.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#22158: Dec 12th 2016 at 1:09:18 PM

They said they were excluding new content, Beerus is new and I really don't think they will include him. Also the movie is part of super which would be excluded as well if its 'just super'.

edited 12th Dec '16 1:11:14 PM by Memers

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#22159: Dec 12th 2016 at 1:11:01 PM

They did not say "New Content" they explicitly said "Dragon Ball Super" is excluded

The movie and Super's BTG arc do play out differently. So in that aspect they are no different than the DB movies who recapped the Dragon Ball story line.

edited 12th Dec '16 1:11:44 PM by Ghilz

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#22160: Dec 12th 2016 at 1:17:14 PM

Still I do not think he should count for this list.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#22161: Dec 12th 2016 at 1:22:29 PM

@Lion Heart 0, I am very curious why you think that Cell and Buu won't make the top 3 along with Frieza.

I mean, 17 and 18 ahead of Buu?

edited 12th Dec '16 1:26:42 PM by LSBK

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#22162: Dec 12th 2016 at 1:26:02 PM

I don't think Vegeta will be particularly high. His fight was good and he set the stage for a whole slew of new characters but most of what made him a great character came after his stint as the antagonist was over.

edited 12th Dec '16 1:26:20 PM by LordVatek

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#22163: Dec 12th 2016 at 1:27:52 PM

...it's like Japan responding to the PC trend in comic books and going, "here's Totally Awesome Yamcha!"

Followed by Captain Son Pan, the Super Saiyan!

edited 12th Dec '16 3:30:07 PM by Soble

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#22164: Dec 12th 2016 at 1:34:04 PM

Baby is a pretty neat villain.

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#22165: Dec 12th 2016 at 1:36:35 PM

[up][up][up] I hope you're right. As a villain, he was pretty meh. Between that and the obviousness of him, I really hope he gets listed soon (because even I know he will get listed).

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#22166: Dec 12th 2016 at 1:41:56 PM

I think the only memorable things Vegeta did as a villain was him killing Nappa, the beam struggle with Goku, and his transformation into an Oozaru.

The legend has returned.
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#22167: Dec 12th 2016 at 1:44:50 PM

His fight also sort of becomes the format for future DBZ fights. Fights where both enemies fly for a lot if not most of the fight. Multiple Power ups. Etc... They mention that in their "Best moments of DBZ"

Vegeta's fight was #7 in there btw.

Takahata 101: It also sets a precedence, for better or worse, of how future battles would play out. High level attacks. Advanced aerial fighting. Beam battles.

Lani: Endless banter.

Kaiser: Screaming.

edited 12th Dec '16 1:45:20 PM by Ghilz

IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
Forever not amused.
#22168: Dec 12th 2016 at 1:46:26 PM

[up][up]Majin Vegeta

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#22169: Dec 12th 2016 at 2:02:23 PM

Cell might get points docked for being way less interesting in his later forms than he was in his Imperfect Form.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#22170: Dec 12th 2016 at 2:05:29 PM

I don't think so; Perfect Cell was basically a mix of Frieza and Goku, and they're clearly having a lot of fun with him. And it's not like Semi-perfect Cell changed he was just consumed with his goal being so close and yet so far at the same time.

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#22171: Dec 12th 2016 at 2:05:30 PM

I don't really want Frieza on the top spot. There wasn't much to him personality-wise other than "overpowered sadistic tyrant", and I'm kinda blaming him for the insane power inflation Dragonball went through.

I'd be okay with Cell or Vegeta, but not Frieza.

edited 12th Dec '16 2:06:10 PM by Kayeka

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#22172: Dec 12th 2016 at 2:07:07 PM

They've stressed over and over this isn't (just) about liking them as characters or even as villains. Also, apparently they've called Frieza the greatest villain in the franchise so...

And I still don't get wanting Vegeta to be particularly high; like it's been said, most of the great stuff with him wasn't even when he was an actual villain. Even with that, he's still pretty much guaranteed for top 10 at this point, if they're going to put him on at all. Which, admittedly, it would seem weird to do.

edited 12th Dec '16 2:10:03 PM by LSBK

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#22173: Dec 12th 2016 at 2:08:25 PM

The idea of limiting Vegeta's consideration to only the parts where he was the direct antagonist still seems to me like a strange attempt at a loophole. But I'm not willing to argue about that point, because hell, I don't know how TFS interprets it, and won't until Vegeta or Piccolo show up on the list.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#22174: Dec 12th 2016 at 2:24:16 PM

I am very curious why you think that Cell and Buu won't make the top 3 along with Frieza. I mean, 17 and 18 ahead of Buu?

I'll admit, most of it is me trying to predict how they will rank them. My issue with Majin Buu is that once he goes into his Super Form, it becomes too much of a retread of the Cell Saga (which itself, also felt like retread of Freeza IMHO).

I don't really want Frieza on the top spot. There wasn't much to him personality-wise other than "overpowered sadistic tyrant", and I'm kinda blaming him for the insane power inflation Dragonball went through.

Let's be real, there wasn't a lot to many of the character's personality. Buu was literally only a force of nature. Cell goes from a creepy predator to literally Freeza 2.0 once he gets his perfect form.

edited 12th Dec '16 2:28:04 PM by Lionheart0

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#22175: Dec 12th 2016 at 2:25:36 PM

I would say the Vegeta fight was the best fight in the entire manga, together with the various world tournament finals. The heroes were struggling tooth and nail working together to fight a villain far stronger than any of them, only barely winning the fight with their lives intact. Comparing it to the Frieza/Cell/Buu fights, which all boil down to Goku/Gohan being one-sidedly outclassed by the villain until they unlock a new transformation which in turn makes them one-sidedly outclass the villain, and I'm honestly confused at how hard Toriyama dropped the ball after the Saiyan arc.


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