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#22126: Dec 11th 2016 at 9:44:55 PM

Sorta? Doujin fanwork are basically illegal, the laws regarding them just aren't normally enforced. Though the manga in question is a licensed spinoff, which are hardly unheard of in other countries

edited 11th Dec '16 9:45:18 PM by Hylarn

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#22127: Dec 11th 2016 at 9:48:18 PM

Speaking of Yamcha Was hilarious seeing him win that Baseball match... in a crater. Curled into the same position he died in during the saiyan saga. And everyone recognizing it.

edited 11th Dec '16 9:48:47 PM by Ghilz

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#22128: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:01:49 PM

So looking at it, I think this should more than likely be the end of most of the movie villains appearing in the countdown. They confirmed Lord Slug wouldn't be in there, and I doubt bland villains like Bojack, Turles, and Androids 13, 14, and 15 would be this high up. What villains do y'all think would make it in the top ten?

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#22129: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:09:11 PM

Buu, Cell, Frieza, Ginyu Force, Baby, Beerus, Daimao, Vegeta, Tao.

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#22130: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:11:14 PM

That's nine.

Part of me is expecting Babidi to show up sometime soon before the top ten.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#22131: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:16:36 PM

I wonder if Babidi and Dabura would be paired together or kept separate. Also, have we considered the possibility of Towa/Mira being on the list since Toriyama made them?

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#22132: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:21:41 PM

Absolutely not. They're kind of... bland and terriblee.

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#22133: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:37:22 PM

So anyone ELSE'S constructive opinions on the mater?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#22134: Dec 11th 2016 at 10:40:47 PM

It's possible but I'm not really sure because of their opinions on Xenoverse's plot. I mean, they don't seem to get any enjoyment out of Mira at all. I'm not sure how much of argument you could make for their impact.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#22135: Dec 11th 2016 at 11:33:40 PM

They're not in the movies, DB, DBZ, or GT. I'm 99.99% sure they won't show up.

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#22136: Dec 12th 2016 at 12:01:12 AM

But anyway, personally I doubt Piccolo's children are making the list, because they'd have to be ranked above Frieze's forces to be there, which seems unlikely. The only thing they really have going for them is killing Krillin, and considering they'd have to be ranking that above Goku getting killed...

On the other hand, when Krillin died, it was the first time one of our main characters did so. Bora was one thing, but Krillin was, you know, Krillin. Was quite a narrative hard turn.

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#22137: Dec 12th 2016 at 1:02:21 AM

On Raditz: I am still completely dumbfounded that people think that blood ties would be important to Goku. He says they don't right to Raditz' face, and then goes on to say being a Saiyan doesn't matter to him either to Nappa and Vegeta. That's one of the biggest themes in the Saiyan arc!

So it's definitely an intentional juxtaposition. Even Bardock is not meant to be this super-awesome guy, but Shuiesha kind of dropped the ball on that by giving him Wolverine Publicity later in the franchise. Aside from an issue of giving him a large battle power, his original special hammered home how ineffective he was in the grand scheme of things. He accomplished less than Raditz did!

Raditz' connection to Goku wasn't the motivation for him going to Earth. It was the justification for him knowing and remembering something from so long ago. He wouldn't go visit his brother unless he needed something, but remembering where his brother went is a lot less weird than remembering where a random nobody was sent ~25 years ago.

You change Raditz' relation, you do lose something - Goku outright confronting a family member and proving who he grew up with is more important to him than blood ties. He outright disowns Raditz.

No, I don't think it's the kind of detail that Toriyama would have excised because Toriyama killed Raditz in his first appearance. He clearly knew that he wasn't the big bad of that arc, let alone an important character of that series. It also wouldn't be like Toriyama's writing style to have that kind of thing matter.

IIRC, he was intended to be the villain on Namek, but he was really popular so Toriyama invented Frieza to take his place

No idea where you got that from. Nothing has ever been said along those lines, it's just that the early part of the Saiyan arc was clearly not written with the next villain in mind.

edited 12th Dec '16 1:02:32 AM by Saiga

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#22138: Dec 12th 2016 at 5:33:16 AM

I mean, it's not like you couldn't have that same impact given Raditz is the first additional saiyan other than Goku to appear. Raditz being Goku's brother really is a footnote at the end of the day.

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#22139: Dec 12th 2016 at 5:34:53 AM

You lose that very thing I just mentioned.

If people are still asking "why isn't Goku's family important?" than Raditz needs to be Goku's brother.

edited 12th Dec '16 5:35:13 AM by Saiga

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#22140: Dec 12th 2016 at 5:36:22 AM

Just because my answer was blunt and non-constructive doesn't mean it wasn't correct.

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#22141: Dec 12th 2016 at 5:38:50 AM

I think Towa and Mira have a lot of potential, but they need to appear in something with more characterization to it. They've been limited to video games and minor publications related to video games.

Online had some more interesting things about them. But they don't have much going for them in terms of impact either, I really doubt they'd make TFS' list.

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#22142: Dec 12th 2016 at 5:48:17 AM

[up][up][up] But if he's not important, why make him his brother to begin with? Like, I get the subversion of the Thicker Than Water trope, but we barely knew Raditz, so the connection between him and Goku as brothers doesn't really carry a lot of weight to it.

And on top of that, even in the Anime where they love bringing back old villains, Raditz is basically...forgotten, gone, finito. Not even GT during the Super 17 arc.

edited 12th Dec '16 5:49:38 AM by BlackYakuzu94

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#22143: Dec 12th 2016 at 7:49:45 AM

Reiterating my request to say who it is when you link a video.

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#22144: Dec 12th 2016 at 8:51:19 AM

[up][up] There is also the fact that them being Saiyan blood could just as easily been used to evoke a sense of family. That Vegeta could have the list of missions and sent Raditz to collect Goku because they need another Saiyan.

[up] I second that motion. Putting the name in a spoiler tag would help for those that want to be surprised I would imagine.

edited 12th Dec '16 8:52:54 AM by Darthwyn

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#22145: Dec 12th 2016 at 10:15:00 AM

Lets see its probably going to be Vegeta, Piccolo, Piccolo Jr,, Cell, Androids 16-18 as a group, Ginyu Force, Frieza, Cell, Buu, Babidi, Baby, Pilaf Gang, Tao as the top 13... not in any order.

edited 12th Dec '16 10:20:12 AM by Memers

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#22147: Dec 12th 2016 at 10:20:39 AM

Oops, fixed with what I meant to put.

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#22149: Dec 12th 2016 at 10:23:22 AM

I feel like Beerus has gotta be in there somewhere. Who out of those do you think would be dropped?


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