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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#21976: Dec 8th 2016 at 12:50:37 PM

Either way, TFS tends not to be particularly kind or inclusive to anime or dub aspects they really don't like, so it'll be interesting to see them give Broly the ol' college try anyway. I don't expect the special to give him a whole lot of clout, though he'll probably at least get more of it than Meta-Cooler or Lord Slug.

[up][up][up] I like it, anyway. It's nice to have a plot that focuses on characters that aren't Goku, Gohan and Vegeta, and 18, Goten, Trunks and Krillin get a quaint little adventure to themselves. The setup is very oddball, but if you can get past how stupid it is, it's fun.

[up][up][up][up] Who, me?

edited 8th Dec '16 12:53:00 PM by KnownUnknown

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#21977: Dec 8th 2016 at 12:53:05 PM

[up]Yes. I think your exact words were "I like him enough".

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#21978: Dec 8th 2016 at 12:53:43 PM

Can I get context? "I like him enough" could mean anything from "I like him" to "I don't hate him." And not hating him and not giving a crap about him are two different things.

edited 8th Dec '16 12:54:29 PM by KnownUnknown

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#21979: Dec 8th 2016 at 12:54:24 PM

I don't remember the page number, but you said it in the Dragon Ball General Thread a long time ago. Either way, seeing you clarify what it means answers my query enough.

edited 8th Dec '16 12:55:24 PM by VeryMelon

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21980: Dec 8th 2016 at 12:58:58 PM

I mean, the moment Broly shows up everything goes to hell.

Like, you can mark the time of when it goes from okay and even fun to garbage, and it's when Broly emerges from his tank thingy.

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#21981: Dec 8th 2016 at 1:20:09 PM

TFS's hate for Broly amuses me to no end.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#21982: Dec 8th 2016 at 3:46:54 PM

Well, I'm impressed they were even willing to put him on the list at all.

That must have been painful.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#21983: Dec 8th 2016 at 3:52:39 PM

I'm trying to figure out why he provokes such a vitriolic reaction (not just from them, but from others as well) considering that in the grand scheme of things, he's not appreciably worse than other bad villains.

The only thing I can think of is his popularity.

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#21984: Dec 8th 2016 at 3:57:38 PM

Bad things that get popular tend to have an equal amount of Hype Backlash.

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#21985: Dec 8th 2016 at 4:03:24 PM

[up][up] Broly gets a disproportionate amount of Wolverine Publicity compared to a lot characters. Add that to the fanbase's notorious "______ character doesn't get enough focus" and you can see why.tongue

So is Bio Broly actually worth seeing?

It's the one movie where Krillin isn't treated like a joke, so that's nice.

edited 8th Dec '16 4:05:57 PM by Lionheart0

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#21986: Dec 8th 2016 at 4:40:24 PM

Yeah, the first half of the movie makes the movie worth seeing.

The rest is just kinda..... eh.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#21987: Dec 8th 2016 at 4:48:15 PM

I don't know what impresses me more, that Broly ended up that high, or that a GT villain will be even higher.

...inb4Babyisnext.

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#21988: Dec 8th 2016 at 4:51:24 PM

Da, but Baby will be next, yes?

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#21989: Dec 8th 2016 at 6:25:31 PM

Broly is basically the embodiment of what many both love and hate about the franchise; the younger crowd and fans more focused on power levels love him for basically being everything a Saiyan represents, just a muscle-bound bloodthirsty killing machine with no real motivation.

Ironically, it's those very same traits that his dissenters despise because they seem him as nothing more but a shallow and poorly written character with no interesting motives who's only relevance is the threat he poses.

Broly is kind of hilarious because he's loved and hated for literally the exact same reasons rather than the two sides having different interpretations like usual a Base-Breaking Character.

That said, putting personal feelings aside I can agree with the placement; he's roughly in the middle.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
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#21990: Dec 8th 2016 at 7:53:22 PM

I think either Pilaf or the Red Ribbon Army as a collective whole are going to be the first Dragon Ball villain on the list. Not so confident if Baby will be placed higher though. It's likely.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#21991: Dec 8th 2016 at 8:05:07 PM

Well, before King Piccolo, Pilaf was the villain who actually came the closest to using the Dragonballs.

He was literally half a sentence away from ruling the world.

That's actually pretty funny. Years before dudes like Frieza ever came along, a little imp with a grand total of two subjects in his kingdom nearly conquered the entire world.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#21992: Dec 8th 2016 at 8:16:59 PM

[up]You bringing that up made me realize that none of the villains in Dragon Ball would have been successful for very long. Even if all of the heroes died, they would have been completely wasted once Raditz showed up.

edited 8th Dec '16 8:17:37 PM by LordVatek

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#21993: Dec 8th 2016 at 8:19:02 PM

Pretty much.

And while Raditz slaughtering everyone is very likely, once Buu awoke, he'd have wrecked them as well.

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#21994: Dec 8th 2016 at 8:20:19 PM

On the bright side, there would never have been power levels high enough to unleash Majin Buu.

...However, considering the math done for androids 16-20, they might've been one of the strongest beings in that part of the universe.

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#21995: Dec 8th 2016 at 11:18:55 PM

I wonder if TFS hating him will cause more of the DB fandom to hate him. :P

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#21996: Dec 8th 2016 at 11:24:34 PM

I mean, I still love the character; TFS isn't going to change that.

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#21997: Dec 9th 2016 at 6:18:51 AM

Broly gets a disproportionate amount of Wolverine Publicity compared to a lot characters. Add that to the fanbase's notorious "______ character doesn't get enough focus" and you can see why.tongue

Also the constant shilling of his strength. Broly's battle power is nebulously defined as, "terrifyingly more powerful than you". Most other characters at least have a general area that they're meant to fall into - see Frieza getting one-punched in the Janemba movie. But in the eyes of fans and occasionally licensed media, even Super Saiyan Blue Vegito is expected to tremble in fear and get curbstomped by the Legendary Super Saiyan Broly.

Broly has two features: a cool character design and a really high battle power. And the latter seems to be f*cking relative, which gets really obnoxious when Broly is shilled to be more powerful than Cell/Buu/Beerus.

You bringing that up made me realize that none of the villains in Dragon Ball would have been successful for very long. Even if all of the heroes died, they would have been completely wasted once Raditz showed up.

Piccolo would have died laughing, though. It's a roundabout way to get there, but his goal of purging all life from the planet would still be achieved. He had a thirty-year plan for his extermination effort. He would have gotten a decade instead, but mission still accomplished.

One of the ways his reincarnation is demonstrably less one-dimensionally evil is the fact that he actually took world domination seriously. Like, he actually wanted to rule the world. Daimao was just using it as a tool to plunge humanity into chaos and gradually murder them all. He would embrace Raditz with open arms.

edited 9th Dec '16 6:23:02 AM by TobiasDrake

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#21998: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:23:00 AM

Ah, the old "well, the last 5 minutes sucked, but I got what I wanted until then" argument.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#21999: Dec 9th 2016 at 8:19:35 AM

One of the ways his reincarnation is demonstrably less one-dimensionally evil is the fact that he actually took world domination seriously. Like, he actually wanted to rule the world. Daimao was just using it as a tool to plunge humanity into chaos and gradually murder them all. He would embrace Raditz with open arms.

Huh. I never thought that way about Piccolo. Then again, he was kinda just a kid. Maybe he lacked the emotional maturity to recognize the difficulty of actually ruling the world.

Your idea that he'd welcome Raditz is odd though. I get the feeling, that as much as he wants to wreck shit, he wants to be the one doing the wrecking. At the least, he'd hate being killed when he'd finally accomplished his goal and was enjoying himself.

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#22000: Dec 9th 2016 at 9:31:07 AM

I think the Raditz part was in reference to King Piccolo, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

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