Broly was an interesting concept and did get three whole movies, but there's nothing else really there. Personally I'm expecting him to be showing up fairly soon.
Direct all enquiries to Jamie B GoodI like Cooler a lot for his voice, admittedly due to a lot of his lines being used for Mecha Sonic in Super Mario Bros Z, but his fighting style was also just a lot more BRUTAL than Frieza's was. Plus, Supernova is just an awesome move in general.
I think Baby is a pretty good villain. A few of the evil dragons had their own appeal (I liked the seven-star dragon fight, even if his shtick was taken straight from Buu). Rilldo's pretty cool for an elite mook, too. I wouldn't be surprised to see those guys show up.
And who knows, maybe the Para Para brothers will make a surprise appearance
EDIT: Oh, you said the Top 15. Yeah, just Baby and maybe one of the dragons (probably someone other than Syn).
edited 2nd Dec '16 12:35:36 PM by JonnasN
I'll give Super 17 at least some credit for being beaten in a way that isn't "power up and beat them down" (or spirit bomb). As a villain, though, yeah, not a chance. His entire existence was nonsensical.
Baby was pretty cool, though. At least, from what I had seen in those few episodes of GT I caught.
I'd say that Omega Shenron gets at least a little credit for functionally being the final boss to the entire universe for 17 years.
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This is very true. No one can say Frieza wasn't exactly what he was advertised to be.
I also agree with this. In addition to having the so called ultimate attack (Spirit Bomb) fail for a second time, it also meant denied us an opportunity for a potential re-occuring villain. Toriyama had a chance to keep Frieza in the background as a ever looming threat. What if he finds his way to Earth? How will they fight him? Is he going to rebuild the forces he lost? What will happen and how do you prepare for something like that? This could have been the impetus for Goku to start trying to reach for Super Saiyan and become powerful enough to face him.
Toriyama doesn't think that far ahead though, so Goku just powered up and became more powerful.
Oooh. He could have had the Spirit Bomb injure Frieza; not enough to kill him, but enough to create a similar effect to how things were in Resurrection F: a massive power vacuum that sees those under Frieza's heel stepping up, including those guys just as bad, but keep in place by him, leading to a Galactic power struggle. Maybe forces like the Galactic Patrol finally getting the balls to try and take him on and take him out (since in canon, they're so weak that even with Frieza dead, they apparently still couldn't do shit against him, which really irks me). You could have gotten some good stuff out of that.
Anyway, in regards to Coola, I have to agree, though he still holds a special place in my heart, as the sixth movie was my first ever exposure to DBZ, so it'll always be my favourite movie.
And even though it goes against Toriyama's style, I love Coola's extra form in the fifth movie. It's so the opposite of his brother's, and considering the mention of his more brutal fighting style, and how he apparently doesn't bother with Keigo, it fits him. He's not the asshole pretending to be a nice dude. He's upfront about what a dick he is.
One Strip! One Strip!I don't get why so many people want Dragon Ball to be something it never was and never will be. If you want stuff like that, you're following the wrong franchise.
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I love the series, but I feel like there were so many things it could have done better.
I feel like there were a lot of missed opportunities.
Right. That last one can be ignored
One Strip! One Strip!I think Naturon Shenron needs a little more credit than being just lumped in "monster of the week" with Haze, Rage, and Oceanus. He started out as just another goofy elemental dragon with a silly personality, but then he pulled that death fakeout, absorbed Pan, and ditched the dopey act in favor of showing his true colors as a cruel, pragmatic asshole who knows fully well how valuable a hostage he's got.
Even though it's a moment of hubris that leads to his downfall, I'm fond of his chillingly ironic "Your wish has been granted" when showing Goku Pan one last time before he dies. Does he say that (or its Japanese equivalent) in the original Japanese, or was that just a neat touch the dub added?
edited 2nd Dec '16 10:11:58 PM by Anomalocaris20
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I've always felt that to truly love and be a fan of something, you need to be aware of its flaws.
To read or watch something and wish it could've been done better is completely natural, because everything has flaws, and no writer is ever going to avoid missteps. Sometimes, those writers will read what their fans think should've been done better, and improve their future work because of it. And on the off chance that fan doing so ends up creating something of their own someday, it further helps the thing they were a fan of be an inspiration.
@Handsome Rob: It's fair to criticise Dragon Ball on developments we dislike about it, I just think making a storyline about the power vacuum in Freeza's empire goes against the show's genre (it's a kung-fu/superhero action show, not a political/crime drama). Dragon Ball can do good world-building, but not good drama. I would imagine such a thing could be the background for the emergence of a new villain, but that's about it.
I'm also unsure how "The spirit bomb puts Freeza down, but doesn't quite kill him" is supposed to be different from what happened in canon. Goku went Super Saiyan, and "almost killed him, but not quite" is exactly what happened.
And since we're on the subject (and this is also a response to Tobias' previous comment), I highly disagree on the idea that Super Saiyan was a Deus Ex Machina to deal with Freeza's invincibility. The notion of a Super Saiyan had been mentioned and foreshadowed, and it's pretty clear that the Namek arc was building towards that. Super Saiyan wasn't a plot device made up to deal with Freeza, it's the other way around: Freeza was made as invincible as possible to convince the audience that the legendary Super Saiyan needed to exist. The iconic moment is "Goku goes Super Saiyan", not "Freeza tears through everything". The latter is build-up, the former is climax.
That's the first time I'm hearing it, so that might be a thing the US version did.
edited 3rd Dec '16 12:30:25 AM by JonnasN
@KnownUnknown: Yes but it's one thing to criticize the original's flaws and it's another thing entire entire to wish it was a completely different work. As Jonnas pointed out, what you guys are suggesting does not fit the narrative and themes of Dragon Ball in the slightest. If it did what you suggested, Dragon Ball would be more like every other shounen out there and one of the things I love most about Dragon Ball is that, even to this day, it's not like every other shounen out there.
What you guys are wishing for- and often wish for- is like wishing for a story arc of One-Punch Man where Saitama gets the shit beaten out of him. It just doesn't work.
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@Enlong: I imagine Beerus and Broly being fairly high up the list.
edited 2nd Dec '16 11:23:36 AM by OrionAurora
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