Similarly without Trunks, Cell can't travel to the past, he just becomes perfect in the future, since Future Trunks can't kill Future 17 and 18. Cell also looks different as he lacks Freeza's DNA.
edited 2nd Dec '16 9:31:33 AM by Ghilz
I don't remember that being explained. I remember Trunks being shocked by how way more powerful 17 and 18 are in the present, as opposed to their future selves. And in history of Trunks, Future Gohan can actually hold his own against either Future 17 or 18 solo, he gets crushed when they team up. compare that with Vegeta against 18.
@Ghilz: Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks.
While on the topic of Cell, without Raditz, I'd imagine Cell would be vastly different than main timeline Cell. He wouldn't have the DNA of Raditz, Vegeta, Nappa, Frieza, King Cold, and Trunks. Without all the saiyan DNA, he'd probably not be as hot blooded and perfection focused and without Frieza's DNA Cell might not have been as tyrannical. I'd imagine this version of Cell would be comparable to Android 16; gun-ho at killing Goku then settling down and acquiring birds while ranging the shit out of some park somewhere.
We are all made of star stuff. Very, very weird star stuff.Yeah, as noted, it's not just Frieza that'd be missing from his makeup. Without Raditz, Cell lacks Vegeta and King Cold. He's half-Goku, half-Piccolo - with Toei adding a handful of the humans who aren't in his original makeup and thus never contribute anything to his actual capabilities.
No transformations, no ability to survive ridiculous amounts of damage. He's just the bastard spawn of a Saiyan and a Namekian, neither of which are even known to be things because Raditz never showed up and established them.
He can still grow back limbs and maybe he turns into a giant monkey. That's the climax.
edited 2nd Dec '16 9:45:46 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Yeah, but he loses a lot of speed by doing it. It's a bad technique, which is why no Namekian ever used it again, especially Piccolo.
The Oozaru, by contrast, can pack on a bunch of mass and power without sacrificing any speed, as Vegeta demonstrates. It is the superior giant form.
edited 2nd Dec '16 9:49:16 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.And his signature technique would probably just be the Kamehameha. I was thinking about how neatly "Makamehameha" fits together - probably "translated" to Special Beam Kamehameha in the dub, even though an actual translation would be more like Demonic Turtle Devastation Wave or just Demonic Kamehameha if they wanted to partial-translate it - but then I remembered that Piccolo wouldn't have the Makankosappo without the Raditz arc.
edited 2nd Dec '16 9:56:44 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.It's from a daizenshuu or whatever it's called. I get why people like that explanation, but really, that being the case makes the comment meaningless. The point of the main timeline androids being stronger was to hammer in how much things had gone awry, because of Trunks' meddling. Going "no they were exactly the same strength, Trunks just didn't know it" goes against that, and really doesn't make sense because Trunks has fought the androids himself.
Also, Super Saiyan Vegeta from the main timeline is much stronger than the Gohan from Trunks' timeline, so that's not a good comparison.
edited 2nd Dec '16 10:08:43 AM by LSBK
That's exactly my point. Vegeta gets steamrolled by 18, but Future Gohan, fighting future 18 solo, can hold his own, so clearly Present 18 outclasses Future 18.
Hell, Raditz' legacy stretches to Super. If Goku doesn't beat Freeza, it never makes Beerus curious about super saiyans. Heck, without the previous Sagas to build them up, it's likely Buu (Or Dabura, mirroring Future Dabura's timeline in Super) kills all the Kais, which kills Beerus. And Goku, assuming he's not dead already, hasn't met Zeno, and got the summon Zeno button. Zamasu never meets Goku So no Goku Black
edited 2nd Dec '16 10:15:49 AM by Ghilz

Though the legend was referenced to goku a few times when he arrived on Namek.
Between Vegeta and Goku one of them was going to obtain it that arc.
"Shall I use you, or make you mine... I'm not so sure what I'll do." - Dorthy