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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#21401: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:10:27 AM

That is a horribly slanted and wrong way of looking at that. Chi-Chi is never 'taught' subservience to Goku, hell, she's not even subservient to Goku at all!

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#21402: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:14:50 AM

And no, there isn't any mountain that repels any woman who attempts to climb it, because there's no woman in the series who even tries to be a martial artist on par with Goku. You can't say that a mountain rejects all female climbers when no females have ever attempted to climb it. And there are so many male characters that have been thoroughly rejected by that mountain.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21403: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:25:38 AM

because there's no woman in the series who even tries to be a martial artist on par with Goku

I mean, the thing is that the series is written by people, who decide which characters try and which ones don't.

Better or worse, those decisions are on them.

edited 28th Nov '16 9:26:12 AM by unnoun

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#21404: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:28:54 AM

I mean, alone there isn't necessarily anything wrong with having few female characters, or how an individual character is portrayed, but stuff like this is better looked at in aggregate.

And Videl was definitely interested in fighting and such and now she isn't? Like, people can change and all, but did the change really fit?

edited 28th Nov '16 9:29:26 AM by LSBK

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#21405: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:29:08 AM

[up][up]Then you can say that Toriyama didn't write enough female combatants. You can't say that the mountain specifically repels women; that's simply not true.

edited 28th Nov '16 9:29:39 AM by Enlong

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IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
Forever not amused.
#21406: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:33:26 AM

I was hoping that somebody on Universe 6's team in Dragon Ball Super was combat proficient, but we have Hit, Kyabe, Frost, Botamo, and Auto Magetta.

At least there's Vados I guess.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#21407: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:34:31 AM

They are. Being weaker than the top tiered characters doesn't change that.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21408: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:35:22 AM

[up][up][up][up] I mean, yeah, that.

It's most glaring with Videl, frankly. She goes from fighting junkie to housewife. Chichi's dad was a barbarian bandit martial arts guy, but Chichi herself was always more interested in fighting as a means to an end. Same with 18. For Videl it was an end in itself.

Like. I could see Videl as a spectator on the sidelines like Krillin. As a cop like Krillin. As someone who sets up her own dojo or becomes an instructor at her dad's.

But just being a 24-7 housewife is just. What?

Like, at the very least she could be at a fight and yell encouragement, or comment on technique or. Something.

Dress up in her Great Saiyaman 2 outfit.

edited 28th Nov '16 9:42:32 AM by unnoun

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#21409: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:42:29 AM

That reminds me; I wonder Whats gonna happen with abridged Dende when the Saiyaman arc starts and Videl enters the picture.

edited 28th Nov '16 9:42:46 AM by Enlong

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IceAnt573 Forever not amused. Since: May, 2015
Forever not amused.
#21410: Nov 28th 2016 at 9:44:01 AM

I'd hope it be civil with mutual potshots thrown at each other.

I also find humor in that if TFS did Battle of Gods, Dende is the first one to find out Videl is pregnant.

edited 28th Nov '16 9:46:15 AM by IceAnt573

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#21411: Nov 28th 2016 at 10:07:59 AM

The final saga of the original Dragon Ball series focuses on Goku and Chichi learning to be a respectable married couple, but specifically on teaching Chichi subservience to her new husband

Huh? Since when? She shows up, gets mad that he doesn't remember some girl he met once years ago, attacks him out of anger that he doesn't remember 'proposing' to her and fails badly and then he's like 'Yeah okay fine I'll marry you, got nothing better to do anyway' and then they just vanish out of the plot. She was never a fighter, we never see her learn subservience and we never see them actually act like a married couple in Dragonball.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#21412: Nov 28th 2016 at 10:56:01 AM

Clearly, there is some disconnect between that entry and how many of the people saw these events. I'm unfamiliar with the actual series, particularly the pre-Z stuff, so I can't comment on what is accurate.

I am wondering who made these edits in the first place...

Regardless, I apologize if I used misinformation as my evidence. If someone wants to edit that page, they're welcome to it. In any case, Super's treatment of Videl serves as good evidence for what I was talking about.

edited 28th Nov '16 10:57:09 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#21413: Nov 28th 2016 at 11:01:18 AM

I wonder if people in Japan see this series, like someone is makes Japanese subtitles for it.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#21414: Nov 28th 2016 at 11:26:57 AM

Yeah, the thing about Chi-Chi "learning to be subservient" is bunk. She's the one who wanted to get married, and has been leading (or carrying) that marriage ever since. One can make a case that Chi-Chi is a sexist depiction because she's a Tiger Mom, or maybe because she's a nagging wife/mom (a typical stereotype), but not because she's subservient.

Videl is the one who learned how to be subservient. A character with a strong personality, who regularly acts like a superhero (well before she met Gohan) and wanted to become stronger because she's a fan of martial arts... turned into a generic housewife who never speaks out of turn. That's some drastic shit, even GT wrote her better.

C-18... she's always been a badass, no-nonsense, don't-give-a-fuck type of character. She got herself a family, but she never really lost her edge or characterisation. Her one hiccup was during the Resurrection F arc (and to be fair, that arc made a lot of similar hiccups with other male characters as well).

Pan, like many characters in GT, was badly handed. But despite the complaints about her lack of Super Saiyan, she actually got a lot more going for her than most other characters in GT: she actually got screen time, a few fights, dramatic moments and plot significance. And none of her portrayal was sexist. And now that Super turned her into the Ultimate Baby, I'm looking forward to see where she's going.

The best point is that there are very few females to begin with in Dragon Ball. The likes of Bulma, Lunch, Future Mai and Pan are all fine as characters... but do we really have less than 10 females in a cast of more than a hundred? That's pretty weak.

edited 28th Nov '16 11:27:59 AM by JonnasN

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#21415: Nov 28th 2016 at 11:34:34 AM

To be honest, Bulma is the only female character who keeps being herself once in a stable relationship; Chichi, 18 and Videl were fighters, but then became housewives.

Fucking Values Dissonance.

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#21416: Nov 28th 2016 at 11:43:13 AM

If you ignore context, sure. Chi-Chi fought specifically to become a housewife, 18 just wanted to have fun and be left alone, until she fell in love with Krillin, and Videl was brutalized and settled down with her High School sweetheart. Remember that both 18 and Videl's husbands are just as domesticated as they are.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21417: Nov 28th 2016 at 11:49:57 AM

And none of her portrayal was sexist.

...Um.

WHY WAS THAT A THING!?

...In the U.S. dub she was 14, and in Japan she was 9.

Just.

Why. Why did scenes like that exist.

...Like, I'm pretty sure that even aired on tv when GT was running.

Just. What the actual hell.

edited 28th Nov '16 11:53:32 AM by unnoun

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#21418: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:15:00 PM

When Popo said he turned off the time dilation effect, he meant he turned it off after Vegeta was in there a while, and not before a Vegeta went in, right? Because otherwise his freakout doesn't make any sense.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#21419: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:16:05 PM

Vegeta is borderline psychotic anyway.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#21420: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:28:04 PM

Chichi was never really a fighter. She was a scared little girl who got lucky and decapitated a dinosaur and then vanished for years before showing up in a martial arts tournament for the sole purpose of finding and marrying Goku.

I don't know why people keep claiming she was a fighter.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#21421: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:33:00 PM

Chichi was never really a fighter. She was a scared little girl who got lucky and decapitated a dinosaur and then vanished for years before showing up in a martial arts tournament for the sole purpose of finding and marrying Goku.

I don't know why people keep claiming she was a fighter.

She did make it to the quarter-finals... so it's not like she sucked. She made it further than Chaotzu and Yajirobe did. And King Chappa, who was a former champion.

edited 28th Nov '16 12:34:38 PM by Ghilz

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#21422: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:34:05 PM

Having fighting ability =/= being a fighter.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#21423: Nov 28th 2016 at 12:39:03 PM

When Popo said he turned off the time dilation effect, he meant he turned it off after Vegeta was in there a while, and not before a Vegeta went in, right? Because otherwise his freakout doesn't make any sense.

Popo turned it off for Vegeta because screw him. Vegeta freaked out after a couple days because going in alone is bad for you. Same thing happened to Piccolo when he went in with time dilation on.

Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#21424: Nov 28th 2016 at 1:00:47 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2124581/The-worlds-quietest-place-chamber-Orfield-Laboratories.html The longest anyone has ever survived in the worlds quietest room is 45 minutes. Chances are the Time Chamber is similar, so of course Vegeta would go crazy after a few days.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#21425: Nov 28th 2016 at 1:28:55 PM

^ Not true, plenty of people do fine in completely quiet rooms. I've even watched videos of people timing themselves in said rooms and having no problem after an hour has passed or whatever except that they're bored.


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