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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#20901: Oct 28th 2016 at 5:52:52 PM

EVERYTHING about your personality is physically stored in your brain.

Body swaps cannot function without either being a literal brain transplant or invoking more supernatural elements like "souls".

DBZ presumably runs on the latter, which would probably make cranial injuries irrelevant.

edited 28th Oct '16 5:54:20 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#20902: Oct 28th 2016 at 5:53:38 PM

Toriyama doesn't know advanced science. Gohan can have children, despite being a hybrid. It's entirely possible for Goku's brain injury to affect Ginyu and Zamasu without invalidating the entire point of the body-swap phenomenon.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#20903: Oct 28th 2016 at 5:58:00 PM

[up][up] I mean, "physically" stored is a nebulous concept.

Like, a harddrive in a computer is a physical thing. All the data on it is electrons and ones and zeroes in a certain pattern. Those ones and zeroes reflect power going through a circuit as opposed to not. Neurons either fire or don't. I mean, there's glial cells and neurotransmitters and stuff, but. On the most simple level, it's mainly neurons.

The brain works sorta similarly. At least comparably.

You can transfer the data, the information, the pattern, from one harddrive to another, so, in the metaphor, at least, the same may be possible with the brain. In theory.

But not all harddrives are the same. Some might be ssd drives, or hybrid drives, while some might have a big hole in them or water damage. That can cause some glitches to occur in an attempted transfer.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#20904: Oct 28th 2016 at 5:58:08 PM

[up][up]Why wouldn't Gohan be able to have children just because he's a hybrid.

If you want to prove Toriyama ain't a man of science, Green Bug man is a better example.

edited 28th Oct '16 5:58:57 PM by HandsomeRob

One Strip! One Strip!
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#20905: Oct 28th 2016 at 5:59:17 PM

[up] Mules. Ligers.

Male hybrids are typically sterile.

Female hybrids aren't always. Or get lucky sometimes. More often. There's at least recorded instances of it happening.

edited 28th Oct '16 6:01:04 PM by unnoun

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#20906: Oct 28th 2016 at 6:00:09 PM

Hybrid organisms are often sterile. Often, but not always.

Plus, Dragon Ball might be working under the logic that all sapient creatures can reproduce with one another. Different world means different rules.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#20907: Oct 28th 2016 at 6:00:25 PM
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#20908: Oct 28th 2016 at 6:00:40 PM

[nja]'d

edited 28th Oct '16 6:00:50 PM by AdricDePsycho

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#20909: Oct 28th 2016 at 6:01:58 PM

For an example of two species capable of producing fertile hybrids, and occasionally doing so, gray wolves and coyotes. That's actually becoming sort of a problem in certain parts of the United States from what I hear.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#20910: Oct 28th 2016 at 6:02:13 PM

Most hybrids of real life species are infertile. In fact, that's how we get certain varieties of seedless fruit such as watermelon.

But it's not an absolute. Somehow, across time and space, Saiyans and humans are fully compatible reproductively. Blame the Kais maybe.

[nja]'d big time.

edited 28th Oct '16 6:03:26 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#20911: Oct 28th 2016 at 6:04:30 PM

You know, I was going to respond, until I saw that so many people had me covered.

edited 28th Oct '16 6:09:26 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#20912: Oct 28th 2016 at 6:07:19 PM

Of course, there is a thing with harddrives, especially solid state ones, where it's actually really tough to completely erase information. Even when you delete it there might be a "ghost" or whatever. In a brain analogy sense it's why sometimes memories temporarily lost because of amnesia can be recovered.

The brain isn't quite a harddrive or computer, but in their own way both sorta use binary to an extent, so.

So. I mean, maybe after they switch back Goku might get a weird familiarity around poses or something.

edited 28th Oct '16 6:11:02 PM by unnoun

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#20913: Oct 28th 2016 at 6:08:25 PM

[up][up]Never underestimate the desire of every troper to prove Handsome Rob wrong state correct facts.

.....At least I hope it's the second one.

edited 28th Oct '16 6:08:37 PM by HandsomeRob

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#20914: Oct 28th 2016 at 6:38:37 PM

That's not logical at all, unless the Mankakosappo can drill through everything, the Final Flash can destroy everything, etc. We've seen that sufficiently powerful attacks can hurt people stronger than them, that's not enough to assume there is not upper limit to it.

Especially because a technique having literally no upper limit just doesn't make sense.

Nah, those techniques you mentioned were "charge up for a single powerful attack" while the destructo disk run on the principle of "super sharpness > all", a principle I see no problem going by in a superpower show. And no upper limit just means the limit is effectively the same as the ultimate defense. Neither are infinite just really high.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#20915: Oct 28th 2016 at 7:05:41 PM

Hybridation in real life is a case by case deal. We act as if species were real things, where all we have are populations more or less similar and related. "Hybrids are infertile" and citing mules and ligers is an example of Small Reference Pools. Again, wolf and coyotes (and fuck that "conservation problem" nonsense, pedigree is a human concept and hybridation an evolutive mechanism), but also pretty much every single citric and cabbage, the ring species complex herring and lesser black backed gulls form (which is more of a net than a true ring, shit is complicated), chimps and bonobos (a paper on the subject came out this week)...

The rule of thumb is chromosome count in animals, because it makes meiosis and thus sperm and egg generation harder. And plants don't even have that issue, there is a fucking Raddish x Cabbage hybrid that has seeds.

Also, Goku was more of an issue of getting deprogrammed, rather than outright brain damage. Concussion and conditioning amnesia, rather than, well, actual brain damage. Which infants can be quite apt at dealing with, due to neurogenesis being still going on to a noticeable degree.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#20916: Oct 28th 2016 at 7:15:50 PM

The Mankankosappo isn't just a charged move. It's also got drilling properties, and even if it weren't for guidebooks confirming it, it was able to pierce Raditz despite the last recorded Battle Power for it being inferior to Raditz's own.

"Super sharpness > all" is not at all a logical concept. It does sometimes appear in fiction because fiction often doesn't think shot through, but Dragon Ball uses super durability just as often.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#20917: Oct 28th 2016 at 7:19:05 PM

"Super sharpness > all" is not at all a logical concept.

It doesn't have to be though.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#20918: Oct 28th 2016 at 7:20:41 PM

It kind of does in the context of assuming that is the default.

Like I said, fiction uses it, but it is such an arbitrary and unintuitive concept that I see absolutely no reason to assume it to be in place without proof.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#20919: Oct 28th 2016 at 7:25:20 PM

In other words, your headcanon says the Kienzan is not what it is stated to be.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#20920: Oct 28th 2016 at 7:26:36 PM

[up] Who is that in response to?

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#20921: Oct 28th 2016 at 7:27:13 PM

Yeah, there's no reason whatsoever to assume that anyone can make a Kienzan with infinite cutting power. It's just like any other cutting technique in Dragon Ball, it cuts, but if the thing it's cutting is stronger and reinforced by Ki, it doesn't cut.

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#20922: Oct 28th 2016 at 7:30:54 PM

There's only two types of ki-based cutting attacks though; discs and blades.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#20923: Oct 28th 2016 at 7:51:02 PM

And there's no reason to assume such a drastic difference between the two.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#20924: Oct 28th 2016 at 7:57:33 PM

It kind of does in the context of assuming that is the default.

Like I said, fiction uses it, but it is such an arbitrary and unintuitive concept that I see absolutely no reason to assume it to be in place without proof.

It doesn't make logical sense, but it makes fiction sense, and is backed up by what we see in that fiction (unless you count Cell), so that's plenty of reason to assume it is the case.

[up]Yeah but discs spin tho, which surely amplifies the cutting power by multitudes.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#20925: Oct 28th 2016 at 8:01:46 PM

Yeah, by magnitudes, but not to infinity.


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