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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#20826: Oct 25th 2016 at 4:31:11 PM

It'd be preferable to have both the personality and the well played...

Too much fail can kill the deal, not all the time though.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#20827: Oct 25th 2016 at 4:39:12 PM

They don't play all that badly to be frank.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#20828: Oct 25th 2016 at 4:40:58 PM

Xenoverse has rather clunky and occasionally unresponsive controls, their play through wasn't half bad for non-hardcore players talking through the thing.

Coherent convo + playing a game well is actually hard.

edited 25th Oct '16 4:41:58 PM by Memers

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#20829: Oct 25th 2016 at 4:47:08 PM

I guess it's more a problem that they left a lot of the fails in...and those would make up most of the video.

But their commentary makes up for it...somewhat.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#20830: Oct 25th 2016 at 4:48:58 PM

I like seeing their failures.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#20831: Oct 25th 2016 at 4:53:53 PM

What kind of loser can't get everything right on their first try?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#20832: Oct 25th 2016 at 4:55:25 PM

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Alfric Sailing the Skies! from Crescent Isle Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#20833: Oct 25th 2016 at 5:57:25 PM

I'm not gonna lie, given that apparently the Kienzan was remote controllable, I'd have liked to see some kinda combo tech that fires off the disc, then catches the enemy with a more standard laser blast before dragging the Kienzan through them from behind. Enemy's all "Ha! I've caught you're laser!" and then suddenly BAM, organs taking a permanent vacation. Bonus points if because of the shock of, y'know, bisection, they stop blocking the laser and get vaporized.

It just seems to me these techniques could be awesome if they were put together or utilized in tandem, but are bad on their own. Like, if filler hadn't decided Cell was immune to Kienzan's for some reason, imagine if during the big beam struggle between SSJ 2 Gohan and Super Perfect Cell, Krillin just sorta sneaks in and cuts off Cells arms? Would have been hilarious.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#20834: Oct 25th 2016 at 6:11:41 PM

I don't mind having the DB XV 2 ep 1 video here, since it's just episode 1 and alerts me to the fact that they started it, even if I don't intend to watch.

As for bits in let's plays, specifically Slowmara in their Nuzlocke:
The difference between a Let's Play and a game movie or a walkthrough is that the point is to watch other people's experience. It's not like they said it was original footage and then uploaded some basic "____ reacts!" video or something. Also, a Nuzlocke is intended to create personality and attachment for the Pokemon. That and the challenge are the main ideas of doing that style of play in the first place. Plus, some things, like the first Slowmara deletion, or MC Pinchee's accuracy, are just ripe for comedy. Not everything was particularly forced (straight to trash was lame, but at least the tiered friends list made up for it).

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#20835: Oct 26th 2016 at 5:59:05 AM

Is it wrong that I wish Kaiser was involved in the Xenoverse 2 LP like he was the first one?

I mean, I know he's the editor and stuff, but. I like his dynamic with the others when they're doing dragon ball things.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#20836: Oct 26th 2016 at 8:05:33 AM

Besides, wouldn't most of the villains be able to sense the Kienzan's energy without needing to see? I know the early Saiyans and Freeza wouldn't but everyone else would probably think "Huh. Giant energy skewer. Let me get out of the way before I can feel my intestines."

Solar Flare doesn't just blind but also tends to... basically incapacitate the fighter. Remember Cell used it to escape Trunks, and Trunks logically should have been able to still track him via sensing his energy. But instead Trunks straight up stopped moving when he was hit by the Solar Flare.

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#20837: Oct 26th 2016 at 8:10:45 AM

Difficult to sense when your eyes are in intense pain.

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#20838: Oct 26th 2016 at 8:11:27 AM

I'm not gonna lie, given that apparently the Kienzan was remote controllable, I'd have liked to see some kinda combo tech that fires off the disc, then catches the enemy with a more standard laser blast before dragging the Kienzan through them from behind. Enemy's all "Ha! I've caught you're laser!" and then suddenly BAM, organs taking a permanent vacation. Bonus points if because of the shock of, y'know, bisection, they stop blocking the laser and get vaporized.

Vegeta/Krillin Duo Tech! Vegeta fires that useless ki spam that he loves so much and while the enemy is standing there loltanking it, Krillin nails them with the Kienzan.

Solar Flare doesn't just blind but also tends to... basically incapacitate the fighter. Remember Cell used it to escape Trunks, and Trunks logically should have been able to still track him via sensing his energy. But instead Trunks straight up stopped moving when he was hit by the Solar Flare.

It's hard to focus when your retinas are on fire.

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edited 26th Oct '16 8:11:35 AM by TobiasDrake

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#20839: Oct 27th 2016 at 2:40:27 AM

Vegeta's beam spam has a better track record than the Kienzan, though.

Especially when you discount the bad rep it gets from filler overusing it because it's cheap to animate and, as filler, really can't be allowed to change the state of the fight.

edited 27th Oct '16 2:41:12 AM by Saiga

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#20840: Oct 27th 2016 at 4:36:29 AM

Would filler be better if it could change the state of the fight?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#20841: Oct 27th 2016 at 4:41:27 AM

It'd be better if it could be less obvious that it can't.

But this was just about technique performance, pointing out that something being overused in filler is going to make to add a bunch of examples of it failing.

Alfric Sailing the Skies! from Crescent Isle Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#20842: Oct 27th 2016 at 4:41:51 AM

[up][up][up]Hey, to be fair, while I don't remember who Vegeta has successfully beam spammed in canon, the Kienzan was the attack that ultimately landed a fatal blow on Frieza at 100% power. tongue

edited 27th Oct '16 4:43:11 AM by Alfric

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#20843: Oct 27th 2016 at 4:44:23 AM

Is it fatal if they survive it

and also a planet blowing up afterwards

Alfric Sailing the Skies! from Crescent Isle Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#20844: Oct 27th 2016 at 4:47:10 AM

Didn't he need Goku giving him energy to survive? Maybe the energy was enough to survive the subsequent blast from Goku and the planet explosion.

Goku can be a very generous person when he wants to be.

edited 27th Oct '16 4:47:46 AM by Alfric

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#20845: Oct 27th 2016 at 4:56:20 AM

He needed the energy to escape. But then he used that energy to attack Goku, got hit by Goku's beamu, and then caught in the explosion.

And he was alive in a far worse state after that, so I don't know how fatal the bisection could have been before that.

Alfric Sailing the Skies! from Crescent Isle Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#20846: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:01:36 AM

Actually, unrelated to the Kienzan joke, what condition was Frieza in after the planet exploded? He was pieced back together into Mecha Frieza, but I don't remember what his situation was. Was he a bunch of scattered parts that got picked up, or a ragged top half? I know Cooler somehow survived being put into the sun but only had part of his head left after it, but I don't remember seeing anything like that for Frieza.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#20847: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:05:08 AM

He lost the left side of his face and his right hand and he was bleeding profusely but otherwise, he seemed to be relatively fine.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#20848: Oct 27th 2016 at 5:13:57 AM

Wasn't shown in the manga, but in the anime [up] lost a hand and the left side of his face. He was also barely conscious.

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#20849: Oct 27th 2016 at 8:26:27 AM

Vegeta's beam spam has a better track record than the Kienzan, though.

I don't know, actually. The kienzan successfully scarred Nappa's face once and cut off Frieza's tail tip for a while. It's not much, mind you, but it has done a tiny bit of damage to foes.

Has anyone ever been adversely affected by Vegeta's ki spam? I can't recall a single instance where the dust settled and the recipient wasn't revealed to be either a) entirely unfazed or b) not even there because he dodged super fast.

I'm not counting Frieza defeating Frieza or Android 18 defeating Goten and Trunks in the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai because I'm mainly focusing on Krillin's use of it. It's unfair to compare Vegeta's ki spam versus anyone's Kienzan.

Props to 18, though. She threw it one time and got more mileage out of it than Krillin ever has.

edited 27th Oct '16 8:30:51 AM by TobiasDrake

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Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#20850: Oct 27th 2016 at 9:13:49 AM

well canonwise it blew off Kid Buu's lower half as much as that can possibly bother him

didnt do much against Cell either times, and even Gohan managed to keep dodging it back in their first fight (Cell and Goku didnt have much luck with it either when they used it)

I'd say the most succesful user of it was Vegeta himself (and he learned that technique somehow?)

edited 27th Oct '16 9:16:05 AM by Medigo03


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