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I'd say several people were getting rather snippy.
Anyway. Back to the actual thread.
... um. Where did that green square even come from?
edited 1st Sep '16 9:32:04 AM by Larkmarn
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Going Super Saiyan 2 actually made things worse, because instead of just finishing him off, he played with him, which lead to things like Cell deciding to self-destruct, coming back "super-perfect", killing Trunks, and crippling Gohan to the point that things actually became a struggle.
Ignoring all this only serves to ham up the "child soldier" analogy that I said I was done directly discussing, but apparently that can't happen.
I'm not ignoring it at all. That's precisely where the Child Soldier narrative came from. The story was written in such a way that the world would literally end if Goku did not weaponize his preteen child. For the fate of everyone, Goku MUST put a gun in his unsuspecting son's hands and send him into battle.
The way this narrative usually works is that the child's decision that he made of his own free will to face danger and save the world is a heroic and noble deed. Dragon Ball presents it as the parent's decision to send his child into danger is a heroic and noble deed, and that's where the problem lies.
If Gohan was fighting because he made the choice himself and Goku was too beaten to stop him rather than because Goku threw him in the ring and went, "Go get 'im, son!" then the Unfortunate Implications wouldn't be there.
And it wouldn't require Goku to somehow fail to notice how much more powerful than him Gohan is, because he already didn't know about Super Saiyan 2 anyway. Gohan can be weaker than Goku and STILL wreck Cell once his battle power spontaneously doubles.
Yes, in the work as it exists, going Super Saiyan 2 causes all sorts of problems. And that hurts the narrative too. Because every choice Gohan makes of his own free will is depicted as wrong.
- Refusing to fight Cell - WRONG
- Toying with Cell rather than killing him outright - WRONG
- Being too intimidated by Super Perfect Cell to fight him immediately - WRONG
- Getting injured trying to save Vegeta - WRONG
The only right choices Gohan makes in the fight are the ones Goku makes for him. When Goku makes him fight Cell, and when Goku urges him and guides him during the Beam Struggle. Gohan is depicted as a shitty, incompetent excuse for a hero who can only succeed if Goku's holding his hand in the very scene where he's supposed to be rising beyond Goku and proving his mettle as the new protagonist.
Which, again, would be fixed if Gohan was fighting Cell by his own choice, against Goku's wishes, rather than because Goku shoved a gun in his hands and went, "Now go kill some bad guys!"
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A better question is how all those squares made a circle without Cell noticing.
I mean, I never took Gohan winning, as supposing to mean that Goku went about things in at all the right way, anymore than Piccolo being right about him having potential excused leaving him alone in the woods for months. But if we're done with that there's no reason to say more.
Serious question time, is Country really awful?
edited 1st Sep '16 9:50:17 AM by LSBK
I actually like Country. Country is the bane of all music, a blight upon the world, and the fact that it still exists in our timeline is proof that Trunks set out to Make Wrong What Once Went Right all along!
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edited 1st Sep '16 9:52:46 AM by TobiasDrake
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edited 1st Sep '16 9:58:59 AM by TobiasDrake
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edited 1st Sep '16 10:59:42 AM by Larkmarn
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.Earlier country music was pretty good, like Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson. Some modern artists like Chris Stapleton are pretty good too.
The rest? Utter bullshit. And I say that because I live in the south and have to live with idiots blasting that shitty excuse for music from the speakers of their Ford F-150's while going out to drive in the mud and shoot guns.
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Aw I don't get to get to be childish from the sidelines?
edited 1st Sep '16 9:31:14 AM by Arha