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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#1976: Jul 2nd 2012 at 11:19:25 AM

I hope 18 and Krillin are happy together. Krillin always getting punked, even/especially in ways that didn't happen in the original series, would get bothersome for me.

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#1977: Jul 2nd 2012 at 3:44:25 PM

No-one explodes like Perfect Cell because Perfect Cell doesn't explode.

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#1978: Jul 2nd 2012 at 3:50:03 PM

I actually think a lot of people explode like that.

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#1979: Jul 2nd 2012 at 3:52:58 PM

Not-exploding is not exploding!

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#1980: Jul 2nd 2012 at 5:24:55 PM

And the first rule of the Tautology Club is the first rule of the Tautology Club.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1981: Jul 2nd 2012 at 5:27:04 PM

The second rule of the tautology club is the second rule of the tautology club.

God_of_Awesome Since: Jan, 2001
#1982: Jul 2nd 2012 at 9:39:22 PM

The third rule of Tautology Club is we don't talk about the third rule of Tautology club.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#1983: Jul 2nd 2012 at 9:50:04 PM

@Wander you'd love a certain poster on Kanzenshuu then. Extremely vocal about his hate for 18 and Krillin I almost forgot that their were people that were happy with it.tongue

Grahf Since: Jan, 2001
#1984: Jul 3rd 2012 at 1:04:21 AM

I can only assume that the hot girlfriend(s if you wanna count the Garlic Jr. Filler arc) are kind of the universe's way of balancing out the karma that makes Krillin the ineffective chew toy for a good deal of the series. Although it is true enough that after Super Saiyans are introduced that the title of ineffective chew toy pretty much gets spread to everyone else forever.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#1985: Jul 3rd 2012 at 3:04:34 AM

That problem stretches much further back then the Super Saiyans - just look at how poorly everybody not called Goku did against Nappa. Hell, from day one they were hardly effective - Yajirobe, Chaozu, Yamcha and Tenshinhan only do anything notable in their first appearances and that doesn't last long. I'd even say Krillin has it best out of the humans, despite having by far the worst first appearance.

eX 94. Grandmaster of Shark Since: Jan, 2001
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#1986: Jul 3rd 2012 at 3:05:50 AM

It's not really a problem of Dragonball alone - it's one of the staples of Shounen. The ranking is:

  • Villain Of the current arc.
  • Hero
  • Rival

Everybody else is mostly there to show us how strong this new villain is compared to the last. Kind of a shame, since it makes the majority of the the characters in any given story pretty useless and a lot of fights predictable.

edited 3rd Jul '12 3:09:51 AM by eX

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#1987: Jul 3rd 2012 at 3:20:55 AM

Heck, it's not limited to Shonen either. But I think Dragon Ball had it particularly bad when they had even the lowest mook villains ranking higher than the humans.

edited 3rd Jul '12 3:21:34 AM by Saiga

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#1988: Jul 3rd 2012 at 5:56:21 AM

Of course, then we have things like Shaman King, where it's VILLAIN >>>>>>> Hero's entire allied force combined (actual positions of heroes in constant fluctuation)

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#1990: Jul 3rd 2012 at 5:59:47 AM

Which is not to say that I don't like Shaman King. I'm actually kind of interested by the whole Hao thing, though I guess I would have to be to continue liking it, since he sort of took over.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#1991: Jul 3rd 2012 at 6:15:45 AM

Nor am I disinterested in Inu Yasha, but Naraku is getting kind of boring.tongue

This reminds me, I really need to see if my library catalogue has the volumes I haven't read.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#1992: Jul 3rd 2012 at 6:59:22 AM

Ah, the boring invincible villains. Spoiler for Shaman King: the series ends with Hao stronger and better than the next 6 characters combined.

[down]FIRE! BECOME AS WATER!

edited 3rd Jul '12 8:04:12 AM by wanderlustwarrior

Medigo0 Since: Jun, 2012
#1993: Jul 3rd 2012 at 8:02:30 AM

It did get kinda annoying that any manner of planning just was not enough to even incapacitate Hao

at least he had plenty of minions to kick around

edited 3rd Jul '12 8:02:55 AM by Medigo0

nairoxev Since: Nov, 2011
#1994: Jul 3rd 2012 at 9:57:32 PM

Overall Krillin did well. He got a Hot wife, magical hair and when he defeated that random guy in the tournament Goku said that he was the strongest man on earth without a hint of sarcasm. Which is technically true, him being really the only human character that actually stood against Freeza and that stuff.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#1996: Jul 3rd 2012 at 10:26:06 PM

I like Krillin as well. He's pretty much the only human fighter who hasn't had his fanbase ruin him for me.tongue

Filby Since: Jan, 2001
#1997: Jul 3rd 2012 at 10:41:14 PM

[up]Yamcha, Tien, and Yajirobe have fans?

HekirekiNoMakai Death Comes To All from /人◕‿‿ʘÉ Since: Apr, 2010
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#1998: Jul 3rd 2012 at 10:44:18 PM

Hey, Tien remains to be of some use until the Cell Games. tongue

edited 3rd Jul '12 10:44:31 PM by HekirekiNoMakai

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#1999: Jul 3rd 2012 at 10:46:46 PM

[up] No, he doesn't.

[up][up] I wasn't counting Yajirobe as a fighter. But yes, Yamcha and Tenshinhan have some pretty crazy fans who try to prove they're top tier fighters or like to write fanfiction where Yamcha kills Vegeta for stealing Bulma/Tenshinhan kills Goku for stealing his spotlight etc.

Ugh.

DarkConfidant Since: Aug, 2011
#2000: Jul 3rd 2012 at 10:47:44 PM

[up][up]He stopped second form Cell from absorbing 18 for a good while with the Kikoro (spelling?). Of course, he died. And Cell still absorbed her.

I have no idea if we can talk about DBZ with spoilers off so... better safe than sorry, I guess.

edited 3rd Jul '12 10:48:03 PM by DarkConfidant


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