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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#19651: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:21:43 PM

What? But the latest episode showed exactly the History of Trunks special, except with Trunks having blue hair. That means the History of Trunks special is now canon. It's not really up for debate.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#19652: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:24:33 PM

Lets just say History of Trunks is canon to the anime. That makes sense to me.

Not that I'm complaining. I rather like the History of Trunks.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#19653: Jul 24th 2016 at 5:45:36 AM

That means the History of Trunks special is now canon

And this was the interpretation I was talking about.

It's totally up for debate because not everyone is going to - or is obligated to - make the same assumptions you did.

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#19654: Jul 24th 2016 at 6:15:06 AM

Well, I guess it depends on how canon you think the anime of Dragon Ball Super is.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#19655: Jul 24th 2016 at 7:21:33 AM

Super's anime and manga are alternate continuities using the same material, instead of one being an adaptation of the other.

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#19656: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:24:44 AM

Toei's DBS anime contains references to Toei's material from their DBZ anime, because Toei likes Toei's additions.

This isn't really news, and it's hardly the first time Toei referenced a point of contention from what Toei added to DBZ. They've no more "canonized" History of Trunks than they "canonized" Ginyu's survival and adventures on Earth.

edited 24th Jul '16 8:25:52 AM by TobiasDrake

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#19657: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:28:45 AM

Which are now canon too, now that I think about it.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#19658: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:49:26 AM

Wait, when you said Trunks had blue hair in the History of Trunks segment of Dragonball Super, are you saying he was Super Sayain God Super Saiyan, or that his normal lavender hair was more blue?

I wonder how future Gero reacted to finding out that Goku died of a heart disease. You think he was happy, or pissed off that he'd spent all these years plotting revenge only to have it all be for nothing?

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#19659: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:01:55 AM

He might not have ever known. It was after his spydrones stopped monitoring, IIRC. It happened in Goku's house which the Androids only had a general vicinity for. He continued his vengeance plans after it occurred. Depending on how events in South City went in the Future timeline, it is entirely possible he went to his grave never knowing that vengeance had already been cosmically denied him.

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#19660: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:07:29 AM

[up][up]I mean that his default hair color has been officially retconned to always have been Bulma-hair blue.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#19661: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:51:49 AM

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Oh wow. That's a really good point. And almost cruelly ironic. I wonder what Gero would have done if he had known the truth.

Would make a good fanfic idea actually.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#19662: Jul 24th 2016 at 2:43:32 PM

Well, I guess it depends on how canon you think the anime of Dragon Ball Super is.

Exactly. Super is in a situation that is completely new to the franchise and that muddles up what was already a confusing debate.

Not everyone sees Super's anime as canon, and Tobias has pointed out (one of many) very good reason why. Toei loves to reference their own additions.

There isn't even a consistent definition of canon for fictional works. Usually it comes from the rightsholders but they have never used the term.

Edit: On Dr Gero, it seems like revenge on Goku wasn't actually his primary goal. Trunks and Goku both believe he was going to resume his plans for world domination and Gero hated Goku specifically for ruining that goal. He does say he will have to continue that goal himself.

So he wants revenge on Goku, but it's also that killing Goku is a necessary step in resuming his world domination plan.

edited 24th Jul '16 2:48:04 PM by Saiga

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#19663: Jul 24th 2016 at 2:57:51 PM

That explains why he just attacks a random city in both timelines.

His plan was probably to go around, fuck things up while testing his new abilities like we theorized, and then Goku came to him and he said Early Christmas baby! and jumped at the chance for some killing.

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#19664: Jul 24th 2016 at 3:30:27 PM

But Karrot died an early dead in his dead bed...and everything else happened just as planned, except Gero died too.

edited 24th Jul '16 3:31:09 PM by randomness4

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#19665: Jul 29th 2016 at 7:05:38 PM

I honestly don't really care how Gero did it. It's clear he did it through automation. I just like referencing the joke about how he did it.

Makes sense to me. And it's not even all that crazy either, it happens all the time.

Kamen Rider Gaim had a Mad Scientist put his brain inside of a robot body and then put his brain back inside of his human body at the end of the episode.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
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#19666: Jul 30th 2016 at 9:21:18 AM

[up] Bit of a old post, but always fun to return to the joke.

Let me just say I love the current Cell and 16 dynamic.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#19669: Aug 12th 2016 at 3:18:47 PM

Man, that's a nice voice for Black Goku Dark Goku Nega Goku EVIL GOKU.

So weird hearing his voice sounding villainous. Then again, it's the same with Masako Nozawa I suppose.

....Can anyone make out the last thing Goku says before he gets gut punched?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#19671: Aug 12th 2016 at 3:38:41 PM

....

Well, it's not a lie.evil grin

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#19672: Aug 13th 2016 at 4:02:22 AM

I mean, they explicitly named him Black Goku, in-universe, not because he's evil, but because he wears black clothing.

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#19673: Aug 13th 2016 at 4:36:50 AM

I have got to find a way to use too literal... or not literal enough? in conversation.

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#19674: Aug 13th 2016 at 9:11:31 AM

I knew I wasn't seeing things.

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#19675: Aug 13th 2016 at 9:27:44 AM

Ehehehehe.

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