Most of the PTO weren't Saiyans and making fun of Saiyans seem to be a favorite past time. And the Saibamen were not as strong as Raditz, their power levels were 1,200 and his was 1,500.
If I recall, it as said somewhere that the average Saiyan power level was actually around 850 or 900, but I don't remember where.
edited 11th Jun '16 9:16:14 AM by LSBK
What's most impressive about the Saiyans is their great ape transformation, and their zenkai. They aren't all that strong naturally.
What Frieza was most scared of was the Saiyans all over the place getting stronger through fighting and eventually banding together.
Our Vegeta supposedly surpassed his dad as a kid. Got to like. 10001 before Vegeta (the king and the planet) blew up.
I imagine between then and the Saiyan Saga he almost died a bunch.
Keep in mind that as a Great Ape, Vegeta could have crushed Ginyu. Figuratively and literally.
So that transformation isn't something to sneeze at.
edited 11th Jun '16 9:25:08 AM by unnoun
Before retcon: Frieza was scared of all saiyans making a rebelion, like Dragon Ball Multiverse fully shows. Or the Super saiyan, "the legend that you fear", I don't fully remember.
After retcon: Beerus told him to, and he was scared of the Super saiyan god.
edited 11th Jun '16 10:17:56 AM by Tomodachi
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edited 11th Jun '16 5:59:58 PM by randomness4
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edited 12th Jun '16 4:26:19 PM by Zelenal
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!That notion is not backed up by anything official, though, which is the real issue. For starters, he's not the only one who mentions him fighting on the frontlines: Freeza says the same thing about Vegeta, and even talks as though Vegeta's growth after Earth was normal for him.
Whenever Vegeta talks about his 'specialness', it's in the exact same context that he calls Goku more of a genius to him. There is never a moment in the manga where Vegeta talks about having a naturally higher battle power as a completely separate issue from talent, that's a fabrication.
The fact is, we haven't seen the pre-Saiyan arc portion of Vegeta's life. And because of that, you can't claim that his 18,000 battle power was owed entirely to his genes because there is no basis for it. The manga doesn't claim or even hint at that, and even goes as far as to hint otherwise.
That's really missing the point - even though Planet Vegeta would not be an option for him, that doesn't change that Earth is simply a worse environment for a Saiyan to grow up in. It may be a better environment than a hypothetical planet with similar gravity but none of Earth's opportunities that Goku would otherwise be sent to, but that's going too far into speculation. All we have to compare is Planet Vegeta and Earth, and Earth is the worse of the two.
You are in absolutely no position to make such a claim. Exactly how much time does it take for a Saiyan to benefit from enhanced gravity? You don't know. It wasn't made clear.
But less than a year of 10x gravity was enough to make Goku 10 - 20 times stronger. Five years doesn't seem so bad for Vegeta, now.
And it's really not downplaying Vegeta's prowess - you've just attributed a completely different meaning to it.
But this is moving away from the point of the original comparison, which is specifically a hypothetical version of Kakarot with a different history vs Vegeta. It was rather silly to assert that "Goku without Earth" would be no match for Vegeta as though this version would not evolved beyond his upbringing. The fact that Saiyans can get extremely arbitrary power ups through recovering from serious injury just shits on the idea of comparing two people's "starting power".
You really took the opposite point of that. I didn't claim that Japan loves geniuses and the West doesn't, I claimed that the West loves underdogs and Japan doesn't. The West has a mix of divided between Chosen vs Underdog (as well as a sleuth of people who try to have their cake and eat it with both concepts), whereas by and large Japan is full all board the genius train.
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If memory serves, the average BP of a soldier in the PTO is 2,000. Raditz was 1,200. That's well below the average. As such, either the might Saiyan race was actually shit or Raditz was shit.
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