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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#19476: Jun 9th 2016 at 7:36:49 AM

[up]Goku is still supposedly a fighting genius, however, and staying with Frieza's forces would've given him plenty of opportunities to skill through experience and power trough Zenkai.

Vegeta on the other hand, on account of being able to plough through Earth's challenges on inherent power alone would've probably been rather stunted in his growth. No zenkai, no magic water, no Kaio-sama. This alternate Vegeta simply wouldn't be on the same level as the "real" one.

edited 9th Jun '16 7:42:43 AM by Kayeka

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#19477: Jun 9th 2016 at 7:42:50 AM

Goku became a fighting genius through experience and proper training...without that, he's just an ordinary Saiyan.

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#19478: Jun 9th 2016 at 7:53:28 AM

Goku is still supposedly a fighting genius, however, and staying with Frieza's forces would've given him plenty of opportunities to skill through experience and power trough Zenkai.

Vegeta on the other hand, on account of being able to plough through Earth's challenges on inherent power alone would've probably been rather stunted in his growth. No zenkai, no magic water, no Kaio-sama. This alternate Vegeta simply wouldn't be on the same level as the "real" one.

He was already stunted in his growth. He makes a big flowery point to Cui about how he's stronger because he's been on the front lines fighting for his life, but despite his comfortable, sedentary lifestyle that Vegeta's chastising him for, Cui was still equal to Vegeta's level before he got reamed on Earth. Because Frieza's forces don't grow much.

Vegeta's 18,000 was from his own inherent specialness without needing any special power-ups or training. A Goku who never gets any special power-ups or training would get steamrolled.

edited 9th Jun '16 7:54:04 AM by TobiasDrake

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#19479: Jun 9th 2016 at 9:03:43 AM

[up][up] I mean, he surely has The Gift, but let's face it, he was trained by Gohan and Roshi before he hit 10. And we keep forgetting, but Grandpa Gohan was an incredibly skilled martial artist.

I feel like without that upbringing he wouldn't have been quite the fighting genius that he is.

Wait, aren't we discussing something almost identical to one universe in Dragon Ball Multiverse? Well, no Vegeta on earth but... similar.

edited 9th Jun '16 9:04:20 AM by Larkmarn

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#19480: Jun 9th 2016 at 9:17:00 AM

I don't remember it being said he was seriously trained by grampa Gohan and he was definitely older than ten when he met Roshi.

edited 9th Jun '16 9:17:21 AM by Arha

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#19481: Jun 9th 2016 at 9:20:04 AM

I'm pretty sure Goku was twelve when the series began.

For me, despite how questionable the premise is, I find the concept of Vegeta coming to Earth first and Goku being the invading Saiyan interesting.

I do agree that Goku should not be stronger unless he still somehow learned some powerful techniques during his time with them.

That, or he zenkai'ed like crazy, which means he almost died in a lot of battles.

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#19482: Jun 9th 2016 at 9:20:39 AM

His battle power was 10. He was 12.

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#19483: Jun 9th 2016 at 9:39:25 AM

My B. Still super young, and still raised by one of the strongest men on the planet.

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#19484: Jun 9th 2016 at 10:16:13 AM

He was 11 when the series started...but the age doesn't matter.

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#19485: Jun 9th 2016 at 11:23:17 AM

To my knowledge, the reason Goku was so powerful in that comic was because he was born weak, but tenaciously survived every fight while nearly dying every time, and since he was just a normal Freeza grunt Saiyan rather than a more notable warrior, he got into a lot more fights and ends up getting a ridiculous number of Zenkai boosts that made him super jacked. It does seem to be basing itself off of the idea that without Gohan and Roshi Goku would still be a naturally skilled warrior and would also have the same tenacity and spirit that he has in the main series, but aside from that I found it interesting.

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#19486: Jun 9th 2016 at 12:34:34 PM

[up]And even before being trained by Roshi, Goku had a knack for picking up techniques just by observing others.

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#19487: Jun 9th 2016 at 12:36:56 PM

All Saiyans seem to have that skill. Vegeta learned to sense ki from finding out others could do it and willing himself to have the ability too. Gotenks achieved Super Saiyan 3 just from watching Goku do it once and spending some time reproducing it. Awesomeness by Analysis seems to be a racial trait.

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#19488: Jun 9th 2016 at 12:44:32 PM

[up] I loved DBZA's lampshading of Vegeta sensing ki. "How'd you learn to do that?!?" "Iunno."

It's still literally more of an explanation than we got in canon.

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#19489: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:02:35 PM

Does it need an explanation? He saw someone do it, so he copied them. Same thing with Goku learning the Kamehameha.

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#19490: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:05:26 PM

That's like a blind dude copying "being able to see." It's not like he's imitating something that someone else did (like Goku imitating a technique), but he's giving himself essentially another sense by means of "well shit, they do it."

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#19491: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:09:14 PM

Vegeta say it's pretty easy to do once you know it's possible. I'd image if you're already pretty good with ki it really would be as simple as simply trying to feel it from other people.

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#19492: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:20:26 PM

Vegeta's an asshole. It is entirely likely that he said that to be condescending. It wasn't exactly followed up by Dodoria going, "Oh, shit, you're right! I can sense Frieza now!"

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#19493: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:23:48 PM

Vegeta is working on troll logic.

"It's easy because I can do it, anyone who can't do it is the noobs."

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#19494: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:38:11 PM

Goku learned to do it without much fuss, so why wouldn't someone much stronger and supposedly more talented be able to do it once he knew it could be done?

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#19495: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:41:38 PM

It wasn't exactly followed up by Dodoria going, "Oh, shit, you're right! I can sense Frieza now!"

Unfortunately. That would be hilarious.tongue

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#19496: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:49:12 PM

Goku learned to do it from having his powers upgraded by magical poison-waters. I wouldn't call that, "without much fuss".

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#19497: Jun 9th 2016 at 1:52:40 PM

Okay, a bare minimum of fuss, then all his friends copied him offscreen.

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#19498: Jun 9th 2016 at 5:49:00 PM

[up][up]Didn't he learn it from Kami? Maybe Popo, actually, more specifically. The first time I remember this being relevant was against Tenshinhan's Tayoken. And everyone else seemed to learn from them as well. Kulilin couldn't sense energy in the during the fight against Raditz, but he could later.

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#19499: Jun 9th 2016 at 7:43:20 PM

[up] No. After he woke up from the water, he sensed where Piccolo Daimaou was.

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#19500: Jun 10th 2016 at 6:38:31 AM

[up][up] Krillin also pulled the Destructo Disk out of his ass after the fight with Raditz.

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