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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#19101: Apr 8th 2016 at 10:44:28 PM

You know, all the points he made about the Faulconer track are hardly evidence it's bad or even not good.

Just saying.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#19102: Apr 9th 2016 at 3:44:46 AM

Music being good or bad is subjective. Also this.

edited 9th Apr '16 3:53:33 AM by Eriorguez

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#19103: Apr 9th 2016 at 11:58:09 AM

I mean, from a technical standpoint, by which I mean "the technology they used" the Faulconer soundtrack wasn't made with very good equipment or sound quality.

Like, ignoring the notes or the compositions themselves.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#19104: Apr 9th 2016 at 2:22:46 PM

Yeah, but so was this.

And it's one of the most well-known, popular, and beloved theme songs in gaming history.

But I will agree with Kaiser on the fact that Sturgeon's Law definitely applies to the Faulconer score.

edited 9th Apr '16 2:26:53 PM by BaconManiac5000

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#19105: Apr 9th 2016 at 2:32:56 PM

I've seen a lot of clips of Dragonball Super posted on youtube and it made me wonder how many episodes there are going to be when all is said and done. I think they're up to like episode 37.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#19106: Apr 9th 2016 at 2:49:56 PM

They're definitely doing at least 100.

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#19107: Apr 9th 2016 at 2:50:51 PM

Oh gosh, this thread and the main Dragon Ball thread both had posts at the exact same moment just now.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#19108: Apr 9th 2016 at 4:25:56 PM

[up][up] I wouldn't count on it. Most of the episodes have been retellings of the previous two movies and Universe 6 has been an incredibly short arc so far. We know Toriyama is still planning future stories, but they don't seem to be anywhere near as long as previous ones.

Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#19109: Apr 9th 2016 at 4:40:23 PM

They actually purchased the current time slot for 100 episodes.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#19110: Apr 9th 2016 at 4:46:52 PM

I haven't seen Super, but I enjoy the fact that having shorter arcs allows for more downtime between fighting, which leads to more character moments. It's nice to see some development given to these characters we've known so long and there a re a bunch of clips online that are just cute character moments. I wish we had more moments like this during the downtime between or during arcs in Z. Particularly Bulma and Vegeta's, "relationship."

edited 9th Apr '16 4:53:19 PM by WillKeaton

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#19111: Apr 9th 2016 at 4:48:36 PM

[up][up]That.

So I do count on them having at least 100 episodes unless they really fuck it up.

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#19112: Apr 9th 2016 at 5:06:18 PM

[up][up][up] There is no evidence of this at all.

Instead, the European Toei website initially listed Dragon Ball Super as having 100 episodes before changing it to "xx" and people latched onto it. Nothing about purchasing the timeslot for that many.

Meanwhile the Japanese version of the website always had the episode count listed as "xx".

That is not a confirmation of an episode count.

edited 9th Apr '16 5:09:11 PM by Saiga

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#19113: Apr 9th 2016 at 5:43:24 PM

I mean, when I think of Zelda's main theme the NES version isn't the version I think of.

Usually it's the SNES or N64 version.

Or, frankly, personally, the Gamecube version.

edited 9th Apr '16 5:44:25 PM by unnoun

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#19114: Apr 9th 2016 at 9:11:02 PM

Yeah, but the point is that the song was made on a shoestring budget with crappy equipment to be rushed out as quickly as possible.

Just because the way it was made was crap doesn't make the song any less great or iconic.

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#19115: Apr 9th 2016 at 9:32:00 PM

So we're getting xx episodes?

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#19116: Apr 9th 2016 at 9:36:43 PM

[up][up]The equipment wasn't crappy at the time, they really couldn't do much better.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#19117: Apr 9th 2016 at 11:02:48 PM

The main consistent criticism (though it's more of a style/medium thing anyway) I would give Faulconer is that he composed the score with the knowledge and intention that each track would be chopped up into short blurbs, repeat often and change wildly depending on the action - or in short, he composed specifically to the scenes, rather than making compositions and then adapting them to the scenes. As a result his soundtracks have few complete songs, and instead have a bunch of tracks made up of twenty or thirty second motifs back to back, often without transitioning in an organic way since they're made to be short blurbs - if you're familiar with scores from 80's animated series, a good example of another composer who did that is Shuki Levy.

I haven't watched the breakdown so I don't know what Kaiser's criticism is, but that's the first thing I would think someone who doesn't care for his music would point to.

On the other hand, while there were sometimes weak compositions mashed together with decent ones in ways that dragged both down, when Faulconer was good he was really good, and some of his medleys worked despite or even because of that dissonance - especially when he did stuff that wasn't just ambience (again like Shuki Levi). And his songs that were complete could likewise be amazing.

I just hope they don't forget him when the Buu Saga comes around. The progression of his Majin Buu themes is one of his best accomplishments.

edited 9th Apr '16 11:08:35 PM by KnownUnknown

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#19118: Apr 9th 2016 at 11:06:33 PM

Yeah, I will agree with that.

A lot of times, the music would play in a scene and totally clash with the tone, or it would awkwardly cut from one track to the next.

But I still would argue that the worst of his work is just mediocre and the best of his work is really good.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#19119: Apr 9th 2016 at 11:29:22 PM

It's also leagues better than the original score in my opinion.

My only real issue with the Faulconer score is that it's pretty much ALWAYS playing. There's never any silence.

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#19120: Apr 10th 2016 at 4:50:55 AM

That becomes really jarring when there's song switches every few seconds, too.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#19123: Apr 10th 2016 at 1:22:33 PM

I agree on the fact that they played the Faulconer soundtrack too much.

I also love how ridiculously long the second Cooler movie's title is.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#19124: Apr 10th 2016 at 1:26:16 PM

I like that, in the Faulconer score, Perfect Cell's theme is often played at different speeds depending on the circumstances. It's slow and ominous when Cell is standing there being menacing, but when he starts to attack it speeds up.

edited 10th Apr '16 1:27:12 PM by WillKeaton

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#19125: Apr 10th 2016 at 3:57:23 PM

A Variable Mix is nice.

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