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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#18976: Mar 22nd 2016 at 7:48:10 AM

Well, technically, he works for Vegeta. But that has changed.

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#18977: Mar 22nd 2016 at 7:56:34 AM

Oh right, we're getting pretty close to Hercule showing up, which probably means some Nappa cameos.

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#18978: Mar 22nd 2016 at 8:06:44 AM

I believe the wish was (inexplicably) for all those killed by Frieza and his men on Namek to be revived.

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#18979: Mar 22nd 2016 at 8:40:32 AM

It also depends on if it counts in regards to them planning to overthrow frezzia. That one village vegeta destroyed stayed dead also if memory serves.

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#18980: Mar 22nd 2016 at 9:03:44 AM

If Nappa was considered one of Frieza's men while on Earth, the wish to revive everyone killed by Frieza and his men would have brought back Tien. It did not.

Vegeta and Nappa's Saibamen also do not count, as Yamcha remained dead.

edited 22nd Mar '16 9:04:53 AM by TobiasDrake

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#18981: Mar 22nd 2016 at 10:36:04 AM

[up]Fair enough. Maybe the wish was just counting people who were men of Freeza at the time the wish was made(including people who died as such, of course). That would explain the discrepancy. More likely, Toriyama just forgot.

edited 22nd Mar '16 10:39:51 AM by Heatth

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#18982: Mar 22nd 2016 at 10:41:41 AM

But if Nappa coming to Earth wasn't considered rebelling against Frieza, he would still have counted.

Nappa's victims didn't come back because he and Vegeta broke ranks and tried to retrieve Earth's Dragon Balls for their own purposes. They were acting against orders, withholding information, and trying to achieve a goal that would allow Vegeta to surpass Frieza. They were no longer Frieza's men when they arrived on Earth.

I don't think Toriyama forgot, either. He was entirely aware that the wish wasn't reviving their victims. Vegeta gloats about it to the Namekians.

EDIT: To clarify, Nappa's victims were never brought back because there was never an opportunity to do so. Shenron has a one-year time limit on mass revivals while Porunga straight-up can't do them until Mori revamps the Namekian Dragon Balls in the Buu arc.

That time limit is equal to his cooldown period, which means you only get one chance at a mass revival. It absolutely must be done in the one summoning you can do for the following year. That wish, however, was used to revive the victims of Frieza and his men as part of a complicated plan to resurrect the Namekians and get everybody away from Frieza.

Because that wish was made, the next time the Dragon Balls would be available for use, the one-year limit for Nappa's victims would have already expired.

EDIT EDIT: Which, incidentally, is also why they had to revive Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu individually.

edited 22nd Mar '16 10:53:31 AM by TobiasDrake

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18983: Mar 22nd 2016 at 11:25:03 AM

I think Nappa's more like a subcontractor.

Vegeta worked for Frieza. In that he was the prince of Saiyans, who are vassals to King Cold's empire. Nappa's a Saiyan and therefore works for Vegeta who works for Frieza, but. There's some degrees of separation there.

Like, there have been situations where kings have been tributaries of other kings. Technically their kingdoms are part of the larger kingdom, and the king still has to send taxes and treasure to the higher king, but. The way it works is. Somewhat indirect.

edited 22nd Mar '16 11:27:13 AM by unnoun

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#18984: Mar 22nd 2016 at 11:34:01 AM

That is also possible. Either way, the wish did not consider Nappa to be one of Frieza's men.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#18985: Mar 22nd 2016 at 11:52:32 AM

Didn't Tien technically kill himself?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#18986: Mar 22nd 2016 at 11:54:17 AM

The way things were going it looked like he was going to die from the beating Nappa gave him anyway, he just sped things up. Or at least, that's how I always saw it.

I mean, the fact that he could only muster one Kikouhou before dying makes it seem like he wasn't that far from death anyway.

edited 22nd Mar '16 1:59:25 PM by LSBK

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#18987: Mar 22nd 2016 at 11:59:18 AM

The Kikoho does drain one's life force to use and he abruptly drops dead immediately after firing it, strongly indicating that his use of the technique is what technically killed him.

But that only happened because he was so beaten down by Nappa. If Shenron considers Guru's grief at the extermination of his people accelerating his natural death to count as "Frieza and his men killed him" even though neither Frieza nor his men ever so much as laid a finger on him, I'm going to assume that Tien succumbing to his battle injuries and one Kikoho usage would have counted if Nappa was one of Frieza's men.

Guru's resurrection proves that Shenron is willing to use a very liberal definition of "killed by".

edited 22nd Mar '16 12:00:27 PM by TobiasDrake

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#18988: Mar 22nd 2016 at 12:14:46 PM

I distinctly remember the wish granted by the Earth's Dragon Balls limiting those brought back to those on Namek.

I remember this because it seemed like such a stupid distinction. Could've been a faulty translation, though.

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EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#18989: Mar 22nd 2016 at 1:36:17 PM

Plus Super Kami Guru purposefully stopped his heart just to be a dick.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18990: Mar 22nd 2016 at 1:56:38 PM

In the abridged version.

It seems like he wasn't brought back by Shenron. His heart starting back up was a coincidence.

In the abridged version.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#18991: Mar 23rd 2016 at 7:43:32 PM

There was a comment on Episode 52 that made me giggle.

TFS, please, when Cell kills Trunks, have him say this:

Cell: Hey Vegeta, do you have a sowing machine? Cause it looks like you have a hole in your trunks

:3

edited 23rd Mar '16 7:46:23 PM by Soble

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#18992: Mar 23rd 2016 at 7:49:31 PM

Old joke is old.

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#18993: Mar 23rd 2016 at 7:54:43 PM

But it can still work...with a new setup.

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#18994: Mar 23rd 2016 at 9:35:31 PM

Plus, it's sewing machine.

Vegeta's not a farmer, after all.

That's Goku's job.

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#18995: Mar 24th 2016 at 8:58:15 AM

I think either Lani or Kaiser Neko responded to the endless requests for that exact joke last year by saying something to the effect of, "Why would we want to put in a less-funny imitation of someone else's already pretty good joke?"

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#18996: Mar 24th 2016 at 9:05:17 AM

That makes sense.

I wonder if they are also frustrated they didn't think of it first? It's the perfect line for their version of Perfect Cell really.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#18997: Mar 24th 2016 at 10:40:02 AM

Maybe it'll be in Dragonball Kai Abridged episode 3?

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#18998: Mar 24th 2016 at 10:45:21 AM

You mean 4. 3 will end with Cell's introduction.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#18999: Mar 24th 2016 at 5:15:50 PM

I've seen Resurrection [F] and Trunks doesn't appear in it. However I do know that in Dragonball Super he and Goten fly out to see Freeza, just like Bulma did. Does Freeza ever figure out that it was this kid who chopped him into tiny pieces?

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#19000: Mar 24th 2016 at 6:34:03 PM

Not only that, he gets pissed at the revelation that Goku has had another son.


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