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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#18676: Feb 29th 2016 at 3:27:24 AM

Didn't Vegeta lose that fight since he died and Frieza didn't, because of his character flaw of drawing out the fight?

That wasn't it. Vegeta's character flaw in the film (and only in the film) was that he puts too much thought into things and that makes him slow to react - so he doesn't react quickly enough to Freeza blowing up the planet.

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#18677: Feb 29th 2016 at 6:20:50 AM

Vegeta's flaw is that he rushes in too little?

How far we've come.

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#18678: Feb 29th 2016 at 6:31:59 AM

[up]Yeah, he used to be pretty quick when it comes to problem solving. Of course, the usual solution generally involved "blow something up", but still.

Maybe the guy is just getting old.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#18679: Feb 29th 2016 at 11:17:44 AM

I do kind of have a problem with Goku offering Freeza mercy again though. Like, this is the second time he's attempted to invade Earth with his men, this time almost killing Gohan and, in the show, killing Piccolo.

I get trying to portray Goku as a good natured guy, but Freeza has done more than enough to show his true character at that point.

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#18680: Feb 29th 2016 at 11:22:39 AM

[up]Goku always offers mercy, except in the case of Buu, whom he managed to redeem through a different path. It's kind of his thing.

He's the kind of guy that believes everyone deserves as many chances as he can afford to give. I, personally, appreciate that in him.

edited 29th Feb '16 11:23:00 AM by Kayeka

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#18681: Feb 29th 2016 at 11:25:41 AM

Well, offers mercy as an adult. He killed a shit ton of people as a kid without a second thought.

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#18682: Feb 29th 2016 at 11:30:06 AM

Goku stopped offering mercy after Frieza. He sits out most of the Android arc but makes no attempt to spare Cell's life and encourages Gohan to kill him. He kills Yakon without hesitation and manipulates Fat Buu into killing Babidi. The idea that Fat Buu might have redeemable qualities occurs to him, but offering mercy to Super or Pure Buu never crosses his mind. The only reason he made his plea for Pure Buu was because he wanted to fight him again, not out of any goodwill towards Buu.

I agree that it's completely ridiculous that he would offer mercy to Frieza, the one person in the universe who previously broke his capacity for mercy; a wound that has never healed since. That sounds like paper-thin Flanderization to me.

edited 29th Feb '16 11:33:39 AM by TobiasDrake

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#18683: Feb 29th 2016 at 11:43:18 AM

Goku offers mercy to strong people who give him good fights.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#18684: Feb 29th 2016 at 1:19:29 PM

I think we discussed in the Dragon Ball general thread how Resurrection of F gave Goku and Vegeta flaws they never had before JUST to set up the conflicts with Freeza and give them lesson they didn't need to or already learned.

Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#18685: Feb 29th 2016 at 1:22:42 PM

To be fair, while it is incredibly dumb, Goku was the kind of guy who wished Kid Buu back as a good person because he was strong enough to give him a good fight. And Frieza went from being weaker than the weakest Super Saiyan form to being stronger than his current Super Saiyan form that was on par with one of the strongest guys in the universe.

Maybe he'll wish for Frieza to be reincarnated as less of a jerk. tongue

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#18686: Feb 29th 2016 at 1:38:55 PM

When Goku offers to spare his enemies, it always seems to be for a selfish reason. You know, because he wants them alive so he can fight them again. And even sparing Freeza on Namek was a real jerk move. He left him alive knowing his pride had been completely shattered from being beaten by a mere Saiyan. At that point, you'd almost expect Freeza to want to die.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#18687: Feb 29th 2016 at 1:52:29 PM

Goku was perfectly willing to let Nappa live the rest of his life with a broken spine. He's kind of a dick.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#18688: Feb 29th 2016 at 1:54:11 PM

Well the implication was that Vegeta would get him help.

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#18689: Feb 29th 2016 at 2:06:08 PM

A healing tank could've probably healed Nappa.

Unless his spine set badly during the return trip, I guess.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#18690: Feb 29th 2016 at 2:12:33 PM

True, but Goku didn't know about the healing tanks.

Though, in his defense, Nappa was a murderous lunatic.

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#18691: Feb 29th 2016 at 2:15:15 PM

He also figured, y'know, better alive from the waist up than completely dead.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#18692: Feb 29th 2016 at 3:43:59 PM

Considering how many times Vegeta got himself into trouble over not thinking things through (mostly due to his ego) maybe the idea that he's overcompensating by trying to put a little more thought into things isn't so crazy.

Of course, in the case of the movies and Super, this is still bullshit, but still.

edited 29th Feb '16 3:44:35 PM by HandsomeRob

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#18693: Feb 29th 2016 at 5:38:51 PM

I did like how the other Z warriors went non lethal against all of Frieza's minions.

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#18694: Feb 29th 2016 at 6:21:21 PM

He also was willing to let the ginyu force members live in their broken state.

Maybe Goku can give cell another sensu bean if we get a return of cell film.

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#18695: Feb 29th 2016 at 6:28:58 PM

"They can live."

-BOOM-

"...Or not."

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#18696: Mar 1st 2016 at 8:10:01 AM

  • CELL: Did you really think you could stand against me, Vegeta? You were never—
  • GOKU: Senzu!
  • CELL: (catch, eat) Thanks, Goku. Now where were we? Oh, right, annihilation of Earth's defenders.
  • Later
  • CELL: You were mighty once, Gohan, but my how you've fallen.
  • GOKU: Here you go!
  • CELL: (catch, nom) You're being strangely generous with these, Goku.
  • GOKU: I just want everyone to get the best fight they can.
  • Later
  • CELL: Ah, Piccolo. Why did you even try? Goku, Senzu?
  • GOKU: Of course!
  • CELL: (catch, munch) You're right, this is fun. Who's ne—
  • Cell explodes
  • GOHAN: (blink blink) What just happened?
  • GOKU: The Senzu does weird stuff to your metamobolism to keep you fed for ten days, and he's a patchwork monster of a bunch of different biologies that aren't supposed to work together. Something was going to happen if I kept feeding them to him.

edited 1st Mar '16 8:10:46 AM by TobiasDrake

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#18697: Mar 1st 2016 at 8:18:53 AM

You know, I hope they do something clever with his Cellf Destruct.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#18698: Mar 1st 2016 at 10:11:24 AM

I expect Bojack to say something when it happens.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#18699: Mar 1st 2016 at 6:03:27 PM

[up][up][up] Now I want to see what happens if someone takes, like, an entire jarful of senzu at once.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#18700: Mar 1st 2016 at 6:27:25 PM

They turn into Yajirobe.

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