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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#18627: Feb 26th 2016 at 3:21:48 PM

In short, in the US, depending on the exact terms of your employment contract your employer can fire you at any time for any reason it likes.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#18628: Feb 26th 2016 at 3:23:30 PM

I'm well aware that it does happen, I'm just saying that assuming that it will happen, and that it's so certain to happen that Disney is a bunch of scumbags for asking for donations from their employees (still not cool, but not evil), is kind of making too many assumptions.

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#18629: Feb 26th 2016 at 3:27:29 PM

It's not about whether it will happen. The pressure placed on employees is all about the fact that it merely can.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18630: Feb 26th 2016 at 3:57:28 PM

The threat is as bad as the certainty, because of the waiting and the worrying and the second-guessing.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#18631: Feb 26th 2016 at 4:00:18 PM

Meh, no point in worrying about something you can't control (after you've already decided not to pay the Mouse).

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18632: Feb 26th 2016 at 4:03:04 PM

Well that's compassionate of you.

Also a little victim blamey?

Like, maybe the Mouse could decide it doesn't need to lobby to make copyright law grossly unfair? And, if it does, maybe use the trillions of dollars in the bank instead of placing expectations on their overworked and underpaid staff?

edited 26th Feb '16 4:08:43 PM by unnoun

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#18633: Feb 26th 2016 at 4:23:38 PM

Again, they are. They're not hunting down the employees and flipping them upside-down and shaking out their money from their pockets. They're asking for voluntary donations. I heavily disagree with their whole copywrite stance, but, unless shown proof otherwise, I refuse to believe that their request for optional donations was made with the intention of employees to be shamed and for their job security to be threatened if they don't.

It's not naivety, I just don't see the benefit, from a purely logical, business, perspective. The amount donated per employee ($6,000>) cannot make up for a lowering of productivity due to distraction, moral decreasing, and possible lay-offs.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18634: Feb 26th 2016 at 4:25:15 PM

See, the problem is that I think that a "logical, business" or a "profit-based" perspective is a fundamentally evil and stupid one, and the world would be a better place without it.

edited 26th Feb '16 4:38:12 PM by unnoun

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#18635: Feb 26th 2016 at 4:26:00 PM

Short term profits trump all in the modern business world. It's killing us actually.

Oh really when?
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18636: Feb 26th 2016 at 4:27:47 PM

Yep.

Our extinction. Guaranteed.

Sayonara human race.

Good riddance.

Because, see, the thing about businesses is that they aren't actually logical? They are EXTREMELY petty. Is the thing you don't seem to realize.

edited 26th Feb '16 4:31:37 PM by unnoun

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#18637: Feb 26th 2016 at 4:33:05 PM

Am I at fault for automatically assuming that the people in charge of the Walt Disney Company are smart, savvy businessmen?

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#18638: Feb 26th 2016 at 4:35:08 PM

When they've proven to be heartless and greedy shits in the past, yes.

Oh really when?
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#18639: Feb 26th 2016 at 4:35:39 PM

When one of them donated millions to Trump just a few weeks ago?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18640: Feb 26th 2016 at 4:37:42 PM

Intelligence is not normally a criteria for the job.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#18641: Feb 26th 2016 at 4:39:00 PM

I see. I apologize for my foolishness.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#18642: Feb 26th 2016 at 5:40:10 PM

Ok enough about this talk of business related genocide silliness and what-not.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#18643: Feb 26th 2016 at 6:40:20 PM

Think we can expect a new version of that given recent events in Super?

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#18644: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:16:05 PM

[up][up] But you literally just described the Frieza Saga.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#18645: Feb 27th 2016 at 2:56:53 AM

Even if you are a benevolent employer and would never do anything like that, it's a shitty thing to do because your employees have no way of knowing that the employer won't do anything suspect. In the back of their minds, it's a constant worry.

I also want to point out that a benevolent employer simply has no reason to ask in the first place when they have that much money.

One huge problem here is that Disney have absolutely no way to justify asking their employees in the first place, so even ignoring the pressure it puts on its employees, it's totally a dick move to even ask for donations. They don't need the donations. A rich person asking a middle income person for money is a total dick move.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#18646: Feb 27th 2016 at 2:36:34 PM

This is about Disney trying to defend their copyrights even more than they already are, right? Setting aside the ethical problem of pressuring employees and that Disney doesn't even need contributions to run its own legal battles, exactly why would it be good to let Disney screw with copyright law even more than they already have?

Edit: Oh and hi. I kind of watch DBZ abridged more than actual DBZ stuff so it's odd that I wasn't already here.

edited 27th Feb '16 2:37:17 PM by Arha

Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#18647: Feb 27th 2016 at 2:51:58 PM

[up] It isn't good at all, save for companies like Disney whose characters should've long since become public domain.

If your response to that is "Wait, why would the government agree to it then?", then I reply with a simple word: lobbying. And when it comes to copyright, Disney lobbies hard.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#18648: Feb 27th 2016 at 2:52:07 PM

It wouldn't be good.

And hi, Arha.

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#18650: Feb 27th 2016 at 5:06:22 PM

It has basically gotten to the point that you can track when copyright is going to be extended again by looking at when the Classic Disney Shorts would otherwise become public domain.

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