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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#18576: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:21:09 AM

Does Disney have a history of doing that, or is this just baseless speculation?

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#18577: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:22:53 AM

It's Office Politics 101. When an employer makes a request like this, whether it's asking for a donation or soliciting an employee for a date or announcing a "voluntary" function, there is always that question in the back of an employee's mind: will my job be endangered if I say no?

And that is a question that is impossible to answer. No matter what you choose, no matter what happens as a consequence, you will never know for certain.

edited 26th Feb '16 11:24:13 AM by TobiasDrake

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#18578: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:25:49 AM

[up][up]They're kind of shitty(and their parks have been voted Worst Place To Work a few times over stuff like the military etc).

edited 26th Feb '16 11:29:01 AM by LordofLore

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#18579: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:28:10 AM

Except that the boss cannot force that on you. If they do, you can sue them. There is no risk because they don't have power over you outside normal job duties, legally.

edited 26th Feb '16 11:28:50 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#18580: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:29:28 AM

Now you're assuming you have the money and the means to even participate in a legal battle. Let alone win one.

Oh really when?
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#18581: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:31:43 AM

> Win a legal battle against Disney

lol

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#18582: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:32:40 AM

A legal battle? Against Disney?

I mean, you can try, but succeeding? That's another matter entirely.

[nja]

edited 26th Feb '16 11:39:47 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#18583: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:32:46 AM

Disney is physically incapable of making you donate.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#18584: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:34:09 AM

That is true. But you can lose your job or otherwise endanger yourself.

It's still a scumbag business move whether you can Weasel Words your way out of it or not.

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#18585: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:35:49 AM

Except that the boss cannot force that on you. If they do, you can sue them. There is no risk because they don't have power over you outside normal job duties, legally.

In theory, sure.

But employees rarely have the kind of legal resources that employers have, especially the most important: money. An employee would bankrupt him or herself trying to combat the unjust termination long before the employer ever even felt a dent.

And it wouldn't even accomplish anything because employers are not required to give a reason for termination. That's often part of the employment contract that most employees sign. It's called At-Will Employment and it's a clause that states the employer may terminate your employment at any time for any reason.

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#18586: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:36:33 AM

In the US, you really can't do shit when it comes to your employers asking you to do something. Be it work related or not.

Not unless you're in some very specific states and are in some very powerful unions.

[up]That.

edited 26th Feb '16 11:36:58 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#18587: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:38:58 AM

At the most optimistic, they're putting the employee in an uncomfortable situation. On paper there will be no repurcussions... except for the fact that, even if there genuinely are none and the employer will do nothing, it's

The employer has all the power here. Even if they will do nothing, they're still putting pressure on the employees by asking.

@ Pushover: That... is hopelessly naive. Assuming the employer is not dumb enough to say "you're fired for not donating," the employee doesn't really have the legal case to fight the several billion dollar company here. Plus, on top of firing, there's many, many, many ways the employer can make things harder for the worker. It could be as benign as limiting opportunities to advance, for example. Good luck proving that in a court. You'll just lose several thousand dollars in court fees.

edited 26th Feb '16 11:40:24 AM by Larkmarn

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#18588: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:43:08 AM

I wish I had PMC's childlike naivete.

My various fanfics.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#18589: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:45:35 AM

To quote:

Your contribution is important to all of us, but I want to emphasize that all contributions are voluntary and have no impact on your job status, performance review, compensation, or employment. Any amount given or the decision not to give will not advantage or disadvantage you. You have the right to refuse to contribute without reprisal.

If they ry something, just quote this: ^ at them.

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#18590: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:48:18 AM

You won't get a chance to, because you won't ever know for sure that your refusal to donate is what screwed you.

Ten years later, you've been passed over for six chances to advance. No reason was ever given. Your career's upward momentum has simply ended and no one will tell you why.

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#18591: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:48:34 AM

Thing is, they can limit you or fire you and you never prove that the cause was you not donating provided they aren't a blithering idiot.

[nja]'d

edited 26th Feb '16 11:48:54 AM by Zelenal

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#18592: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:50:23 AM

Here's the thing, can you prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that not donating is the reason they fired you?

Because you have to remember your employer can legally fire you because he doesn't like the color of your shoelaces or how your face looks.

Can you really prove it was over donations and not your face? The burden of proof is on you, not them. You're the prosecutor and they're legally the victim.

edited 26th Feb '16 11:50:49 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
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#18593: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:51:25 AM

They can even use paper-thin subtlety and be unusually harsh on your next cock-up.

Oh, you filled out this form incorrectly. We don't approve of that here. We're going to have to let you go.

It's an employer's market right now. The workplace system is heavily rigged in favor of employers over employees.

edited 26th Feb '16 11:52:54 AM by TobiasDrake

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#18594: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:53:00 AM

Ah, the land of freedom only if you are worth several billions, what a wonderful world...

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#18595: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:53:58 AM

More or less. Corporations are the new kingdoms, and we're still struggling to figure out how to adapt.

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#18596: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:54:56 AM

I say we burn their houses down with lemons.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#18597: Feb 26th 2016 at 11:58:09 AM

And here's the kicker: Even if you are a benevolent employer and would never do anything like that, it's a shitty thing to do because your employees have no way of knowing that the employer won't do anything suspect. In the back of their minds, it's a constant worry.

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#18598: Feb 26th 2016 at 12:00:10 PM

It's actually interesting to watch the ever-growing backlash against corporate business practices coupled with the rise of alternatives like crowdfunding brought about by the internet. Corporations are kingdoms that rule through financial superiority rather than threat of force, and the growing trend of options that sidestep the big companies is like watching a peasant uprising in the realm of finance.

[up] That, exactly. It's the Strange Guy At Bar Conflict. You're probably not a rapist, but she doesn't know that.

edited 26th Feb '16 12:01:38 PM by TobiasDrake

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#18599: Feb 26th 2016 at 12:06:30 PM

Damn it Zel you can't solve everything with lemons.

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#18600: Feb 26th 2016 at 12:08:10 PM

Blasphemy. What else are you supposed to do when life gives you lemons?! You build lemonades and you start lobbing.

edited 26th Feb '16 12:08:23 PM by TobiasDrake

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