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#18451: Feb 19th 2016 at 8:17:39 AM

Trunks did surpass Vegeta but only in the arena of pure strength. Super Trunks aka Grade III is substantially more powerful than Super Vegeta aka Grade II and could probably have won the fight with Perfect Cell...if it could land a hit. Which it can't. Because it's a shitty, shitty transformation whose immense power is undermined by its immense drawbacks in speed, and that's why Vegeta and Goku both immediately discounted it as an option.

  • VEGETA: Wow, this super form is worthless. Pass.
  • GOKU: Wow, this super form is really shitty. I don't even know why it's there.
  • TRUNKS: This super form is awesome! I'm way more powerful than my dad now!

edited 19th Feb '16 8:18:40 AM by TobiasDrake

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#18452: Feb 19th 2016 at 9:38:36 AM

You kind of reversed the reactions Goku and Vegeta would have.

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#18453: Feb 19th 2016 at 9:39:58 AM

If Trunks only "surpassed" Vegeta by doing something we have every reason to believe Vegeta capable of doing and is essentially worthless he didn't really surpass Vegeta. Not even in terms of pure strength because, again, we have every reason to believe that Vegeta could go grade III too and we have can't say for certain who's stronger.

And saying he could beat Cell doesn't really mesh with me too. Seeing as Cell also demonstrated the ability to actually bulk up. Even if Trunks could beat him in his normal state Cell would just do that and it's game over. Cell just also happen to easily realize the flaw in the form.

So, yeah, Trunks gets no points on anything from me.

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#18454: Feb 19th 2016 at 9:51:01 AM

Vegeta at Grade II was still a bit stronger than Trunks at Grade II, so it's fair to assume that he'd still be stronger at Grade III.

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#18455: Feb 19th 2016 at 11:40:37 AM

I dunno. I wouldn't underestimate the potential for shenanigans.

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#18456: Feb 19th 2016 at 5:48:08 PM

So the point is that Trunks didn't really surpass Vegeta, he just thought he did because he wasn't as experienced a fighter?

Yup. Cell even calls Trunks a greenhorn for it.

Then there's the seen where Trunks is like "so they've given up the absurd transformations... so they can do an even more absurd transformation!"

Makes sense when his only teacher died shortly after they began training and he was pretty much all self-taught.

edited 19th Feb '16 5:48:38 PM by Saiga

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#18457: Feb 19th 2016 at 8:39:09 PM

More or less how I feel about it as well.

Trunks has enough training to use what he has, but Gohan didn't get very far in teaching him, he had no sparring partners, and the only other people as strong as him were the two assholes he wanted to kill.

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#18458: Feb 20th 2016 at 11:55:41 AM

It makes me wonder whatever happened to Mr. Popo in that future universe? I feel like Gohan an Trunks would've benefited from Training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

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#18459: Feb 20th 2016 at 12:07:48 PM

They would have to find it first.

God died with Piccolo and the Cell Saga is the first time Gohan's ever visited the Lookout.

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#18460: Feb 20th 2016 at 12:30:57 PM

So Popo never thought to come down and tell Gohan about the Super Training area where he can advance one year in a whole day?

Seems kinda odd.

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#18461: Feb 20th 2016 at 12:33:08 PM

He was probably too depressed after Kami died or something.

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#18462: Feb 20th 2016 at 12:34:02 PM

Or the Androids destroyed the lookout because they're stupid assholes.

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#18463: Feb 20th 2016 at 2:11:29 PM

Of course, in Abridged-verse, Popo didn't tell them because pecking order.

But I like the idea that the Androids destroyed the Lookout. That would make a lot of sense.

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#18464: Feb 20th 2016 at 2:12:50 PM

In Abridged, him not interfering is his way of seeing if they can clean Earth up. Turns out they can't. Cue evil laughter.

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#18465: Feb 20th 2016 at 2:21:47 PM

[up][up]Actually it wouldn't make sense at all, they don't know about that place.

You can't be expected to believe they found Korin's tower and randomly decided to fly all the way to the top...then keep going to find Kami's lookout.

edited 20th Feb '16 2:24:48 PM by randomness4

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#18466: Feb 20th 2016 at 2:25:16 PM

No, but they would see it and want to destroy it because it was there. Because they're shitdicks.

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#18467: Feb 20th 2016 at 2:28:27 PM

There's no guarantee they'd actually see it.

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#18468: Feb 20th 2016 at 2:36:20 PM

I mean, once you get to a certain elevation, it's hard to miss.

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#18469: Feb 20th 2016 at 2:39:40 PM

[up][up][up]Why would they see it? It is really high into the sky. You can't see it even if you are at Karin's tower. Chances are the androids wouldn't ever even bother to fly that high. It is not easy to just stumble on a relatively tiny temple in the middle of the skies.

[up]Uh, no. It is actually really easy to miss. It is not that big and the world is huge. Also, why would the androids be on that elevation, anyway?

edited 20th Feb '16 2:45:20 PM by Heatth

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#18470: Feb 20th 2016 at 3:00:25 PM

Because they're invincible and they need something to fill their time after hilariously curb stomping any opposition.

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#18471: Feb 20th 2016 at 3:15:14 PM

It's so high that even the Kintoun can't reach it. It would take some ridiculously dumb luck for the Androids to ever realize it's there.

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#18472: Feb 20th 2016 at 3:19:11 PM

The Flying Numbus can't reach the Lookout? Wow.

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#18473: Feb 20th 2016 at 3:21:19 PM

Yeah. Karin explains to Goku that he has to climb the Nyoi-bo to reach the Lookout because Kintoun can't fly that high, and that any vehicle you flew up to the Lookout would be rejected in some way. He doesn't elaborate, but the gist of it is that the Lookout has protections to keep someone from just landing a plane there.

Characters later fly to and from the place with bukujutsu and I think Bulma lands her plane there just fine in the Cell Saga, but that's how Karin introduces the concept.

edited 20th Feb '16 3:22:06 PM by TobiasDrake

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#18474: Feb 20th 2016 at 3:38:57 PM

Wouldn't the magic potato cloud only be able to fly as high as where natural clouds are, it's actually not surprising as it would seem.

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#18475: Feb 20th 2016 at 3:39:42 PM

Gero programed the location into them. wild mass guess


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