King Vegeta knifed Broly, and weak babies like Kakarot were sent to weaker planets
Not disagreeing humans can be pretty barbaric, but we don't send infants to foreign countries for the sake of conquest. Yeah, child soldiers, but that's what percentage of mankind? Far as we were told about the Saiyans, their culture is war and barbarism, ours isn't.
The Saiyans almost seem bred for combat - their tails, their Zenkais, and if Goku and Vegeta any indication, their relatively easy grasp of ki concepts. It's an extremely easy leap to assume that one of their children sent off-world would grow to be a monster - in fact, said child was, in fact, sent there for that purpose.
edited 11th Feb '16 3:05:57 PM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!No, many of our cultures aren't.
You see, Saiyans are united as a people, whereas humans aren't.
But if a violent and murderous king had taken over the world and his descendants had kept power, we probably would have ended up much like the Saiyans.
edited 11th Feb '16 3:06:23 PM by BaconManiac5000
what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone elseWhat does knifing Broly have to do with the weak babies thing?
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Not so. Raditz attributes the reason Goku didn't exterminate the population of the Earth to him forgetting his orders due to the brain damage, which means even the Saiyan "infants" are old enough when sent on-mission to have clear instructions for what they're supposed to do.
Raditz also brings up the moon, explaining that Goku was supposed to use the moon to become the Oozaru and clear the planet of life, and that it should only have taken a few years. That's why he's so agitated that, twenty years later, it's still heavily populated.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.There was a filler episode that made it seem like on his way to Earth Goku was constantly being told to wipe out all life he meets by his pod. It even came with a projection of a fake moon in case the real one was somehow destroyed.
It does seem like something they'd do in the situation, getting all subliminal on the ones they sent away.
edited 11th Feb '16 3:16:11 PM by LSBK
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Even that would be a point of nurture, not nature, though. There's no indication that it is a Saiyan's nature to murder everything and anything forever.
Everyone!
Lets not argue about this and just agree that all the people involved (Saiyans, Humans, Jaco, etc) are assholes.
Depends on how much (or how little) they like them.
If it's the latter, don't expect much.
One Strip! One Strip!Just want to pop in to say that using Vegeta as an example of non-brain-damaged Saiyans being potentially decent people doesn't really work.
He's mellowed in recent years but the universe is still worse off for his existence given he spent like 30 years genociding planets. It would take, like, a million years of being a heroic savior to get out of the red and have a net positive contribution to the universe, if we want to balance books.
Now, if you want to make a case that killing Saiyans as babies is wrong because they could potentially grow up to be good people, look no further than his brother Tarble. He's a much more servicable example and he didn't even need to bash his head on a rock.
edited 11th Feb '16 4:24:27 PM by Anomalocaris20
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!I'd argue that Tarble (is he canon?) is an outlier, and that guys like Nappa, Raditz, Vegeta, etc. are the overwhelming majority. That's not to say killing babies is okay, but I wouldn't use Tarble as an example on why the Saiyans deserve sympathy. They're clearly a violent species, a plague upon the galaxy, hence why Frieza employed them under his empire. A typical Saiyan baby would naturally genocide an entire planet, but I can't say the same about a typical human baby.
edited 11th Feb '16 5:21:17 PM by hardcorefakes
Of course, our society and species isn't built from the ground up for war so....
Let the joy of love give you an answer! Check out my book!Two out of five Saiyans grew up to be decent people. Those two also happen to be the two Saiyans who grew up away from the cultural influence of the PTO. One of the remaining three also developed into a decent person once he was away from the cultural influence of the PTO. Obvious correlation is obvious.
edited 11th Feb '16 6:35:59 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.1. Who is the fifth Saiyan? Tarble? I'm 99% he's not canon, and even if he were, he only proves the point even more about the nature of Saiyans; they banished him due to his kind nature. Tells you a lot about the average Saiyan.
2. Context is important here. Goku didn't "develop" into a decent person, his nature was a fluke of luck, if not for brain damage, he would've killed every last Earthling, and he obviously wouldn't have been under the "influence" of the PTO. I'm confused what Frieza's organization even has to due with it, the Saiyans were barbaric before he even arrived; that's why he enslaved them for his army in the first place. He didn't need to "influence" them in any way.
3. As for Vegeta, again, another fluke. And to call Vegeta a "decent" person is a stretch too, he was slaughtering innocents up until the Buu Saga, even in Super Tien still doesn't trust Vegeta. And he's one of the "nicer" Saiyans. You can't use two examples of blatant outliers to a species that probably numbered in the hundreds of millions, that simply doesn't make any sense.
4. How did Nappa and Raditz start out "better" than Vegeta??? Raditz came to Earth and had a mind f*ck because he was wondering what the heck was taking Goku so long to cleanse the planet. Then he kidnapped Gohan out of spite, and was not going to hesitate to kill his own brother. And Nappa gleefully annihilated an entire city, and he killed a large portion of the Z-Fighters.

@Pushover, Vegeta wasn't nurtured on Earth, he was already an adult who given the opportunity changed. And has been noted, he was apparently much worse than the other Saiyans so if he can change why can't they? I believe that is Tobias' pointed that you really haven't addressed.
edited 11th Feb '16 2:55:35 PM by LSBK