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#18101: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:21:51 PM

Infants in general have a well-documented history of being selfish, unreasonable, and prone to wild outbursts. That's what infants are. Nobody's born with a moral compass.

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#18102: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:25:26 PM

It's like not removing the crocodile from the kindergarten because it hasn't actually hurt anyone yet and it wouldn't be fair to not give it a chance.

It's more like murdering a child because their father was a serial killer.

Actually.

That's exactly what it is, not similar to what it is.

edited 11th Feb '16 2:26:01 PM by BaconManiac5000

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#18103: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:26:56 PM

I just wanted to include an Abridged quote when I quote that.

But yes, under the model I use, babies wouldn't be valid target on account of lack of personal history to justify any preventive measures.

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#18104: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:29:19 PM

So we're both agreed that murdering babies is wrong?

Glad we've cleared that up.

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#18105: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:32:42 PM

Saiyans of all ages are violent and dangerous and, unless shown otherwise, should be treated as an immense threat and disposed of as such.

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#18106: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:35:41 PM

Except, y'know, the main character of the series who was able to grow up into a pretty cool guy with the right bits of guidance from the people around him.

Of course, he smashed his head on a rock so he's probably not the best example. So let's talk about Vegeta instead, a horrific and atrocious bastard whose sadism and cruelty shocks and horrifies even his fellow Saiyans, and who was able to become a pretty cool guy with the right life lessons despite spending all of his formative years being sharpened into a weapon of mass destruction.

You'd be surprised what Nurture can do.

edited 11th Feb '16 2:36:28 PM by TobiasDrake

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#18107: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:36:04 PM

Black people of all ages are violent and dangerous and, unless shown otherwise, should be treated as an immense threat and disposed of as such.

See what the problem is now?

Saiyans are not Always Chaotic Evil.

edited 11th Feb '16 2:36:31 PM by BaconManiac5000

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#18108: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:37:32 PM

How can they show otherwise if they're always being disposed of?

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#18109: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:37:32 PM

Black people don't have a tendency to murder the entire planet their adoptive parents lived on.

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#18110: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:37:57 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the most evil Saiyan we've ever met. The most irredeemable, cruel, monstrous member of their race:

edited 11th Feb '16 2:38:57 PM by TobiasDrake

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#18111: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:38:36 PM

And no comment on what I had to say about Cell?

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#18112: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:40:48 PM

Cell doesn't count as an example because time travel was involved.

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#18113: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:41:06 PM

@PMC: Think of Saiyans like Spartans.

In fact, Saiyans are much like Spartans. They're warlike, think violence is the answer for everything, and get rid of unwanted children.

That doesn't mean that if you took a Spartan baby that had been left out to die, they would grow up to be as terrible as the rest of the Spartans by default.

@Echoing Silence: While I don't think under ideal circumstances they should have killed baby Cell, they weren't exactly under ideal circumstances.

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#18114: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:42:41 PM

I'm not as bothered by Cell's abortion as I am by the prospect of murdering Saiyan babies in-transit.

It was a direct consequence of Cell's own actions. He temporally assassinated himself.

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#18115: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:43:03 PM

The fact that sending an infant to a planet alone and coming back in 20 years, expecting everything there to be dead, is a well-documented and viable strategy for Saiyans, should prove my point for me. Nurture can do miracles, but nature clearly takes over for the non-brain-damaged babies.

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#18116: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:43:34 PM

Tobias, present exhibit A again.

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#18117: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:44:09 PM

[up][up] Again, Vegeta proves otherwise. Also, as a related example, we have Piccolo who was literally an incarnation of Evil. We also have Majin Boo who was the same.

edited 11th Feb '16 2:44:17 PM by Zelenal

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#18118: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:44:20 PM

I'm pretty sure that most of the planets they send them to have moons.

In which case, the destruction they cause is definitely not their fault.

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#18119: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:46:09 PM

Coming back in twenty years isn't the plan, that's just what happened to Goku because everyone forgot he existed until Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta needed some assistance. The Saiyans were busy exploding and Frieza didn't even know there was a fourth survivor.

The Saiyan genocide plan is pretty clear-cut. Saiyan goes to planet. Full moon turns them into an uncontrollable Oozaru that rampages and kills everyone. Even Goku killed his adoptive parent under the Oozaru state but that, too, can be brought under control as it was for him.

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#18120: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:47:56 PM

Vegeta doesn't prove jack or shit, because I specifically said this: "Nurture can do miracles, but nature clearly takes over for the non-brain-damaged babies."

Also, Saiyans are not Humans, stop comparing the two. Humans don't murder everyone and everything as babies. Saiyans do.

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#18121: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:49:24 PM

Saiyans don't murder everyone as babies, either.

Saiyans murder everyone as giant weremonkeys.

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#18122: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:49:41 PM

If they were born with tremendous strength capable of shattering buildings and had a feral Kaiju form, humans probably would try to murder everyone and everything as babies. Babies are unreasonable, selfish, and prone to wild outbursts. Also, feral Kaiju form is a feral Kaiju form.

Caretaking of babies would be a very different experience, but it wouldn't be impossible.

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#18123: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:51:35 PM

Bardock specifically tells Goku and Raditz to not look at the moon while murdering the planet.

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#18124: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:53:03 PM

Besides, the whole sending babies away to distant planets was more "let's get rid of these weaklings" rather than "this is a great strategy for wiping out civilizations".

They would occasionally come along later and if the planet was wiped out, great, and if not, oh well, they could do it themselves.

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#18125: Feb 11th 2016 at 2:54:41 PM

It's more like murdering a child because their father was a serial killer.

I always thought the Saiyans were described as a barbaric, warrior race with virtually no exceptions until Dragonball Minus gave us Gine, "the housewife Saiyan."

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