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#17801: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:45:43 AM

As long as we are on Fukatsu no F, can we take a moment to note some plot holes. "I didn't tell goten or trunks, knowing them, they would attempt to challenge Frieza themselves." Hasn't it been proven that they can sense powerlevels already? Another big thing, Yamcha and Ciatzu wouldn't have pussed out, when the world is at stake they will always be there.

One other thing, how do all the characters know that finding the dragonballs is foreshadowing for evil happening, like how vane are you? Legit, just because the dragon was summoned and it wasn't the z fighters or their select few it's evil?

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#17802: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:58:42 AM

In fairness, Gotenks showed up in Super and tried to fight Freeza. They got crushed.

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#17803: Feb 2nd 2016 at 9:59:53 AM

Well, they just know the story they're in. When has anyone else got the dragonballs and used it for something other than evil?

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#17804: Feb 2nd 2016 at 10:00:07 AM

[up][up][up] Piccolo and Gohan could both sense evil energy coming from around the area Shenron was summoned. The real plot hole is "Why didn't they swing by to see what's up".

edited 2nd Feb '16 10:00:36 AM by Zelenal

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#17805: Feb 2nd 2016 at 10:02:15 AM

It wasn't that much evil energy so they decided it wasn't a threat.

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#17806: Feb 2nd 2016 at 10:04:28 AM

As long as we are on Fukatsu no F, can we take a moment to note some plot holes. "I didn't tell goten or trunks, knowing them, they would attempt to challenge Frieza themselves." Hasn't it been proven that they can sense powerlevels already? Another big thing, Yamcha and Ciatzu wouldn't have pussed out, when the world is at stake they will always be there.

Yamcha openly acknowledged his uselessness in the fight against Dr. Gero, opting to be the one to take Goku to safety rather than pursue the doctor to his lab. He never returned to action again, with the Cell Games being the sole exception.

Chiaotzu didn't even show up for the fight with the Androids. The last fight he ever has in the entire series is when he blows himself up against Nappa.

edited 2nd Feb '16 10:05:00 AM by TobiasDrake

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#17807: Feb 2nd 2016 at 10:05:16 AM

"Probably just some jackass making himself immortal again."

"Or maybe king of the world. I mean, is the king still a dog?"

"Has the king always been a dog? How do we know that just didn't retroactively become a thing, like, right now?"

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#17808: Feb 2nd 2016 at 10:06:33 AM

[up][up] I guess you could say he was a Tykebomb.

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#17809: Feb 2nd 2016 at 11:41:22 AM

He actually wrote Tien out at the end of the Cell Saga. Tien flies away after telling everyone that they're never going to see him again. This is because he's not part of the social group and kind of hates everybody.

Um...what makes you think he hates them? He doesn't like Vegeta, and that's about it. I'm pretty sure despite mostly just hanging out with Chiaoutzu, he still considers all of them friends.

His absence for most of the Buu Saga is just Tien following through on that. He's missing from the tournament for the same reason he's missing from the social reunion where everyone met Gohan for the first time: because he doesn't care.

See, I think this is less he doesn't care and more Toriyama (at the time) didn't want him to be there. I mean, if it's not a big fight or training (barring Super, where he's showed up for Bulma's birthday).

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#17810: Feb 2nd 2016 at 11:43:33 AM

See, Tenshinhan never cared about the social things. He was never friends with Krillin and the others and was only kinda sorta friends with Goku. He wasn't there at the reunion at the start of the Saiyan Saga for that very reason. Also, Tenshinhan himself says that the others will probably never see him again when he leaves after the Cell Games.

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#17811: Feb 2nd 2016 at 11:48:38 AM

[up] But didn't he train with Krillin and Yamcha before the Piccolo Jr. arc? I'm pretty sure Tien considered them friends.

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#17812: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:03:19 PM

Yeah, he got more loner-y in DBZ. In Dragon Ball, after Having a Good Fight with Goku Means Friendship he's actually quite genial with everyone.

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#17813: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:03:28 PM

Nope. Krillin and Yamcha left to train on their own like Goku does. They arrive together at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai but Krillin explains, "We all ran into each other on the way here."

The training for the Saiyans was the only time Tien voluntarily trained with anyone but Chiaotzu, and that was by necessity. Kaio-sama's planet might also count but we don't know much of what actually went down there and they weren't there for very long.

Tien is rarely overtly an asshole to anyone else, but he's not part of the social group and never has been. He only shows up when the world is in danger and spends the rest of his time doing mountain training with Chiaotzu far away from everyone.

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:07:01 PM by TobiasDrake

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#17814: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:12:59 PM

Well, he seems to be showing up for stuff now.

He's there for Bulma's birthday in both versions of Battle Of Gods. Maybe sometime in between, he changed his mind on that kind of stuff.

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#17815: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:17:56 PM

Yeah. He shows up now, possibly due to a decade or two passing since the last time Toriyama wrote these characters.

But so far as the original series is concerned, the whole concept of Socially-Active Tien is an unfortunate byproduct of the made-up gibberish that is "The Z-Warriors." The idea that these characters are a tight-knit nakama who supports each other with friendship and valor, instead of a random assortment of assholes united by their enjoyment of getting punched in the face by Goku.

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:18:37 PM by TobiasDrake

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#17816: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:18:59 PM

[up][up][up] He was on Kaiou-sama's planet for about eight months which is longer than Goku was.

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:19:05 PM by Zelenal

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#17817: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:19:21 PM

Whose idea was it for the Z-Warriors thing? I've heard some people say it was a part of the English dub, but I thought the original Japanese was like that too?

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:20:24 PM by AdricDePsycho

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#17818: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:19:54 PM

Pretty sure it's only in the English dub.

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#17819: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:20:36 PM

Then explain the Team Z song from Resurrection F

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#17820: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:27:32 PM

  1. Resurrection of F came out a decade or so after the dub introduced the "Z Fighters" concept. Plenty of time for cultural osmosis.
  2. It's called "Pledge of Z", not "Team Z". Technically, it's called Z No Chikai. "Team Z" only comes in at the very end after the artist has already sung about taking the oath of Z. Both "Z Fighters" and "Pledge of Z" use the term "Z" because it's Dragon Ball Z. They aren't the only ones to make a fuss over Z either, as the manga itself includes the Z Sword despite never being named Dragon Ball Z. The letter Z is kind of a big deal in Dragon Ball.

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:28:29 PM by TobiasDrake

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#17821: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:28:26 PM

What even is the fascination with Z?

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#17822: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:28:40 PM

It comes at the end of the alphabet.

"Dragon Ball Z" was meant to mark the end of the anime when the Saiyans came. The Z Sword, meanwhile, was meant to mark the end of the manga.

Every other use of Z is a reference to the show being called Dragon Ball Z.

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:30:10 PM by TobiasDrake

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#17823: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:31:00 PM

It's still kinda confusing that it took god knows how long to end and the show uses "Z" to mean it's ending.

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#17824: Feb 2nd 2016 at 12:33:31 PM

So... according to the wiki, there is a Japanese name which is Zetto Senshi.

I also completely forgot the term "Earth's Special Forces" and how weird that was to me as a kid. Sounds super militaristic for... well, let's just say a not very unified squadron.

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#17825: Feb 2nd 2016 at 1:55:02 PM

[up][up]I'm taking it because of the tonal shift of the second half of Dragon Ball, that Toei decided that they wanted to give it it's own name. And according to wikipedia, Toriyama choose Z just because it was the last letter of the alphabet and wanted to end the series.

It's similar to how the second half of Naruto became "Naruto Shippuden" when it was adapted into Anime.

edited 2nd Feb '16 1:56:31 PM by Lionheart0


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