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#17351: Dec 29th 2015 at 8:37:23 AM

She spends most of the arc watching the men fight and waiting diligently to be absorbed, while Kuririn crushed on her. Surprisingly, despite being paired up with Kuririn for his sake, it's after they get together that she gets her own subplot instead of just being forgotten. The Boo arc actually gives her more focus than Kuririn - he goes off to fight the main, high stakes battle, but she stays behind to fight for something she cares more about. He gets turned to stone while she gets to have a fight and swindle Mr Satan, resolving her own subplot.

She even uses cleverness to defeat Goten and Trunks simultaneously during her subplot which, despite numerous efforts to downplay their ability, is an actual goddamn feat.

Yeah, I never got why some people like to paint Gohan and 16 as having some great bond or anything. I don't even think they spoke before 16 gave him that talk. Gohan going Super Saiyan 2 wasn't about 16, specifically dying, it was about someone dying in front of him when he could have stopped it.

It wasn't even about that. 16 didn't just show up, die, and Gohan went SS 2. He had a long speech encouraging Gohan to stand up and fight. He spoke to Gohan instead of at Gohan, taking into account Gohan's fears and concerns and convincing him that it was okay to let go of those fears and commit everything he has to defeating Cell, not for ego or grandeur but for the sake of the world.

It's not 16's death that needs to be played up. It's the final moments of his life. He gave Gohan some actual stakes in the Cell Games. A reason to care about Cell's narcissistic ego-tournament.

edited 29th Dec '15 8:39:33 AM by TobiasDrake

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#17352: Dec 29th 2015 at 6:51:39 PM

It looks like all the videos are back on youtube. I don't know how long it's been that way.

Remember that point where Roshi decided to recap the entire Red Ribbon arc for the audience, but got several key details horribly wrong? Have we gone past that part, or was it done during the 10 day wait before the Cell Games?

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#17353: Dec 29th 2015 at 6:52:57 PM

I don't remember that at all. Was that filler cut from Kai? Also, Roshi would only know about one or two events in the RRA Saga since he wasn't present for most of it and there's really no chance for Goku to tell anyone what happened.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#17354: Dec 29th 2015 at 6:58:19 PM

It was totally filler. I think Roshi may have told it to Maron. It most definitly wasn't in Kai. Although someone explaining just who the Red Ribbon army was would have been useful. Not using Roshi's original explanation though. Among other things he said Tao was a general and "the heart of the Red Ribbon army."

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17355: Dec 30th 2015 at 1:29:07 AM

Super ain't happening.

Also, Toei is monetizing the episodes now. So that's a thing.

How TFS can get money and make episodes and not starve and die.

Admittedly, nothing's changed per se.

They haven't ever made any money on the DBZA episodes themselves. They have the disclaimer and all.

It's always been the ads on the site, and the gaming vids, and more recently the patreon.

But. Yeah.

On the bright side, DBZA is an official release now? Kinda? Sorta? In the sense that it makes Toei money?

edited 30th Dec '15 2:06:09 AM by unnoun

Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#17356: Dec 30th 2015 at 1:34:01 AM

wasn't that the dub mistranlating everything anyway?

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#17357: Dec 30th 2015 at 1:46:40 AM

Super ain't happening.

What's interesting there is that it suggests a) they'll move on to DB if they ever finish DBZ and b) they like GT more than Super

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17358: Dec 30th 2015 at 1:53:13 AM

Or at least that Kaiser does.

I'm gonna be honest, I think having to work with Super's footage would be actual torture for Kaiser.

Every episode breakdown would just be "fuck this show" over and over.

With images like this everytime he says it.

Kaiser is a stickler for animation quality.

Which, given what he does for the series, makes perfect sense.

edited 30th Dec '15 1:54:03 AM by unnoun

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#17359: Dec 30th 2015 at 1:55:40 AM

Nah, it is more of Super being a copyright hellhole compared to GT to use footage from it. I mean, they used GT footage in Bardock Abridged.

(Also, IIRC Super has redone animation in the DVD releases. Still, modern cheapass animation, if anything use the movies)

edited 30th Dec '15 1:56:58 AM by Eriorguez

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#17360: Dec 30th 2015 at 1:56:23 AM

I mean, that twitter chain implies that the copyright is not Kaiser's reason.

Super itself being a mess Kaiser doesn't want to touch is.

edited 30th Dec '15 1:58:31 AM by unnoun

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#17361: Dec 30th 2015 at 1:58:23 AM

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#17362: Dec 30th 2015 at 1:58:48 AM

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#17363: Dec 30th 2015 at 2:38:20 AM

That Goku picture is hilarious.

Also... watching the Abridged series is supporting the official release now? Huh.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#17364: Dec 30th 2015 at 3:22:08 AM

Neandersaiyans are a thing in Super it seems.

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#17365: Dec 30th 2015 at 3:45:17 AM

I'd suggest splicing together footage from the movies and Super.

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#17366: Dec 30th 2015 at 3:56:47 AM

There's going to be movie versions of the post-F arcs?

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#17367: Dec 30th 2015 at 4:24:40 AM

Maybe?

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#17368: Dec 30th 2015 at 6:22:31 AM

(Sigh)

*puts on insufferable professor hat*

That SS3 Goku image is an in-between frame. A smear. A very common animation technique used to make rapid movements look more fluid. While Super does have a lot of shit animation, that frame ain't actually an example, as the YMMV page for Super actually covers (and shows a gif of the scene in question).

edited 30th Dec '15 6:22:45 AM by BaffleBlend

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#17369: Dec 30th 2015 at 6:28:03 AM

But that's not as funny a reason.

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#17370: Dec 30th 2015 at 6:36:08 AM

Smears are the best.

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#17371: Dec 30th 2015 at 6:45:00 AM

[up][up]Then here's some actual shit animation in exchange.note 

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#17372: Dec 30th 2015 at 6:47:28 AM

I had gone to the YMMV page for Super to find that gif with the Neandersaiyin and saw that. I couldn't make sense of that till just now of what it was all a left-to-right still of the scene.

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#17373: Dec 30th 2015 at 6:49:12 AM

The home release still looks kinda shit to be honest.

Oh really when?
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#17374: Dec 30th 2015 at 7:03:50 AM

Like I keep saying, Precure seems to always get the best animators toei has to offer, while their other series tend to get the shitty outsourced ones:

This is the animation Toei should be using, but they don't want to, for some god knows what reason.

edited 30th Dec '15 7:04:05 AM by Demongodofchaos2

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#17375: Dec 30th 2015 at 7:46:22 AM

Could be the fact they've got faith.

They know that they could release this as a series of stills. This is Dragon Ball we're talking about. It's got a devoted fanbase, amazing pedigree, and since the movies already exist, they've decided they don't have to worry about the show. It's just milking the cashcow.

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