I'm willing to bet DBcember '16 is gonna be the Top 24 Games. Just as a wild guess.
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Degree is important. Consider calling someone a "silly goose", or intentionally ridiculing one of the from-birth features they have had as a human being. See the difference? A name often used with knowing jest isn't the equivalent of something with a centuries-old history of hatred and dehumanization.
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I didn't see it until you pointed it out. I tend not to read or notice the forum bonuses, unless it's someone I've seen and gotten familiar with over a long time who changes up something that surprises me.
It's also subtle enough that since I don't read some things that closely on here, I probably wouldn't have noticed. Clever, though. Maybe a holiday Buu or Bee would've been funnier?
edited 12th Dec '15 2:26:06 PM by wanderlustwarrior
It might be a little mean, but I wouldn't equate it with a slur that has centuries of oppression behind it.
Oh God! Natural light!ONCE MORE, I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED... waaaaay later that I was called upon. Look it takes like an hour to get a pizza delivered from a store 2kms away, it's just how Australians operate.
[[quoteblock]Also I think you all make way too big a deal of those afterlife mechanics. So Toei fudged how some of the rules work, it's not like it really matters all that much.[[/quoteblock]]
I agree with Heatth's point about the consistency, but it's also more that just fudging the rules. The changes they make are pretty major and I find their version to be way less nuanced and interesting as Toriyama's afterlife, which had a clearly defined set of rules that were kept consistent and worked well with the story, while avoiding the Fridge Logic fans point out when they don't understand the differences (not knocking the fans, just showing that Toriyama actually thought it through pretty well - his version holds up to scrutiny). And, uh, not everything Toriyama writes DOES hold up to scrutiny so losing the things that do kind of sucks.
[[quoteblock]...Or he could have teleported there. Because he learned that too.
Even if he couldn't sense anyone on Earth he could have done the thing where he used King Kai as a stopping point.
I guess Goku forgetting he can do that is actually a thing.[[/quoteblock]]
That's not why he did it. He didn't know where New Namek was, so he asked Kaio to point him in the right direction. He doesn't mention needing to improve his range.
Also we don't know how long he was actually in transit for. After finishing his training, he may have felt that the distance was short enough to wait it out. The attack ball spaceships are incredibly fast, since one took Goku from Earth to Namek in six days.
[[quoteblock]Toriyama only started saying "screw it" and having the Earth Dragonballs bring people back infinite times on as many people as you want in the Buu Saga, right?[[/quoteblock]]
Skimming the thread I think this was already addressed but the Earth Dragon Balls were never upgraded to allow multiple revivals of an individual and Toriyama remained consistent on this. Consequently, Goku could not be revived after the Cell Games unless someone was able to get to New Namek (easiest way would be for Goku to use up his one day return for it).
[[quoteblock]I am very curious where you guys got that. That wasn't the case at all in the translation I've read. I mean, Earth's Dragon Balls have always been able to do mass revivals and that never ate 2 wishes (else it wouldn't work before Dende).[[/quoteblock]]
Mass revivals working before Dende is the only weird thing here, and it isn't addressed directly. I would explain it as a mass revival used all of the previous Shenron's entire wishing power. Dende's Shenron is upgraded, meaning it has more overall wishing power which can be split among three wishes. That doesn't mean each individual wish was as powerful as the previous iteration.
I just can't understand this at all. Genuinely cannot understand this idea.
The Funimation Z English dub is not absolute. Notice how I needed that many qualifiers to even describe it accurately. Not everyone was exposed to it as their main source for this series, not everyone continues to watch it, and I just don't see why it should hold sway over people who don't deal with it.
Generally means a lot more to which fans? And why is that worth anything? Popularity isn't a measure of quality. I don't need to change my use of terms to appease other people, that's fucking ridiculous.
It's got nothing to do with denial. I can't even understand why you'd think that, unless you're thinking that dub is waaaay more important to the franchise than it really is. It isn't important at all. Funimation's dubbing has no impact on anything other than Funimation's dubbing. To think otherwise would be denial.
God, what is so abhorrent about people using the terms they're most comfortable with? I don't have any problem with people using dub names if that's what they wish, it's not that hard to put up with.
And it's not at all comparable to Goku changing his name because his new name actually has meaning. He grew up as Goku, he has nothing to do with the Saiyans that named him Kakarot. Whereas the English dub is not the primary source of Dragon Ball, even if it's the one some fans have the most exposure to.
Ten doesn't come from Tien. It's an actual nickname for him in the original (for instance, Chaozu refers to him exclusively as "Ten-san" in the manga).
[[quoteblock]I find it weird to, but it is how it is written in the original.[[/quoteblock]]
This is ignoring that Toriyama is notoriously inconsistent with English spellings, changing them frequently (for Bulma/Goku at least). He also doesn't know English and frequently fucks it up (writing WELL COME in place of "welcome", for instance).
Anything he spells in English should be taken with a grain of salt, and not as a sign of his authoritative intent. He has no fucking idea what he's doing with English.
In Toei's Hell, everyone has their bodies. There's tons of filler with bodied characters in Hell. The most egregious would be that time that Frieza and Cell broke out of Hell, forcing Goku and Filler-Character Pikkon to have to go put them back down.
This answer is not entirely accurate. Until the Ginyu Force showed up, we didn't see any other villain keep their bodies, and Kaio said he arranged the Ginyu Force coming to his planet to serve as sparring partners. While not directly stated, them being returned to their bodies would logically be part of that deal.
It's after that point that villains start keeping their bodies without explanation, including the Ginyus now that they no longer need them for Kaio's sparring. I'm guessing this could have been a simple matter of oversight (seeing that the Ginyu Force kept their bodies, other filler writers began writing for similar scenarios without knowing the circumstance) or deliberately ignoring this because going back to dead characters makes for good filler.
The part about the Ginyu bodies still being on Namek is a total Toei fuck-up, though.
The Ginyu who are supposed to be stronger than Vegeta (though that did change).
Vegeta, who, alongside Nappa, was stronger than King Kai.
As already answered, abridged Kaio is simply much stronger than manga Kaio ever was.
This was one change I really liked. For starters it was hilarious and unexpected, but I also felt that Kaio's original strength was a victim of not planning far enough ahead. The reason he was weaker than Nappa originally was entirely to build up for the coming Saiyans, and show that Goku would have to surpass even this incredible master to be able to stand up to them. But it also makes Kaio way less of an incredible master even in his own introduction, and the power escalation of the following arc then makes him look kind of pathetic.
This is normal for the series, and Gods were originally portrayed as not being uniquely powerful, but I would have appreciated some forward thinking so that Kaio being surpassed is actually impressive when it happens. He's in a position where he could afford to remain unsurpassed for a while and it wouldn't hurt the story (unlike God, who reached the point where he was willing to step in himself and therefore would solve too many problems if he were stronger).
And it completely eliminated the terrible fight with the Earthlings.
Yeah, I can agree with that. Toriyama burned the "More powerful than even Kaio-sama" awe on Nappa when it would have been more appropriate for Frieza. He just didn't think that far ahead because Frieza wasn't a thing yet.
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I'm rather surprised Bojack hasn't been on the list yet. It shares the same flaws as Tree of Might and Android 13.
Also, I was hoping Lord Slug would be higher on the list. I like that one.