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Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
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#16476: Dec 11th 2015 at 3:18:09 PM

@Known Unknown: They made the new Dragon Balls able to both bring back people multiple times and bring back any number of people. It's why they only grant two wishes instead of three like the Namekian Dragon Balls. Goku just kinda decided to stay dead instead of reuniting with his family, he didn't even do it so he could train, because he can train much better on Earth anyway where he can get artificial gravity.

Edit: Also, apparently Americans can't pronounce Kuririn. Not sure what the problem is, just pronounce the r's like you always do, it's a common English letter after all.

edited 11th Dec '15 3:20:41 PM by Druplesnubb

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#16477: Dec 11th 2015 at 3:21:48 PM

[up]He very clearly outlined the reason for his staying dead. Whether it held up later on is one thing but he actually gave a reason, it had nothing to do with training and definitely wasn't just because he didn't care about being around his family.

edited 11th Dec '15 3:22:19 PM by LSBK

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#16478: Dec 11th 2015 at 3:23:42 PM

I can pronounce Kuririn, but it's a very strange sounding word to me.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16479: Dec 11th 2015 at 3:24:22 PM

...I'm not "American" exactly.

...I mean, I am legally, but. Eh.

...I'm not Scottish enough though. sad

edited 11th Dec '15 3:24:38 PM by unnoun

Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
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#16480: Dec 11th 2015 at 3:24:26 PM

I already said it had nothing to do with training. I don't remmeber the exact reason but I think it had something to do with not disrupting the laws of nature unnecessarily or something.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#16481: Dec 11th 2015 at 3:24:30 PM

I can pronounce it too, it just comes off as unnatural, both because of the dub, and general feel.

[up]It wasn't because he thought his continued presence was just putting the world in more danger. Whether he was right about that is a different discussion but twisting it to be "He didn't care about being with his family" is just wrong.

edited 11th Dec '15 3:25:40 PM by LSBK

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16482: Dec 11th 2015 at 3:25:15 PM

Like, I think it could work if you rolled your rs between the k and the n.

Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
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#16483: Dec 11th 2015 at 3:27:58 PM

[up][up]Yeah well as I said I don't remember much of that part, it's been quite a while since I read the actual series.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#16484: Dec 11th 2015 at 3:28:52 PM

The point is if you're not sure you probably shouldn't be arguing the point. Especially if you admittedly don't remember much about it.

edited 11th Dec '15 3:29:26 PM by LSBK

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#16485: Dec 11th 2015 at 4:26:37 PM

The trick is to minimize your pronunciation of the u.

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#16488: Dec 11th 2015 at 6:56:10 PM

Clearin is superior to all other versions. After all, he survived tha android attack.

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#16489: Dec 11th 2015 at 7:56:32 PM

No one's a weeabo just because they prefer Japanese terms for things.

It definitely helps though.

And I don't really buy the "Goku would have been a danger to his family if he didn't spend a whole bunch of time away". Didn't he spare Frieza and give him energy to leave Namek? If he relented like that on the person he hated the most, I can't see him hurting the people he loves the most.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16490: Dec 11th 2015 at 7:58:58 PM

He did that to make Frieza suffer though.

Frieza at that point was missing his lower half and would have to spend the rest of his life with the knowledge that one of those filthy monkeys had destroyed him and beaten him.

It wasn't done out of any particular love for Frieza.

edited 11th Dec '15 8:01:09 PM by unnoun

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#16491: Dec 11th 2015 at 8:00:50 PM

Super Saiyan is indeed a beserker form, and I know this because Toriyama apparently drew the eyes of the Super Saiyan form to look devilish and evil. He made sure to make it look different than Goku's usual appearance to emphasize how destructive and violent this form is. He even added in blonde hair to make it look like a Japanese punk.

I mean, look at Goku when he first becomes Super Saiyan versus when he masters it. In the former, he is usually looking pissed off. When he smiles, it's a smile of smug satisfaction. In the latter, he's just regular Son Goku with blonde hair.

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#16492: Dec 11th 2015 at 8:06:09 PM

You know, I just realized; in a roundabout way, Android 16 did kill Son Goku after all.

  • 16 turned Gohan SSJ2.
  • SSJ2 Gohan kicked Cell back to his second form instead of finishing him off while he had the chance.
  • Cell threatened to blow up, causing Goku's sacrifice.

...I wonder if the series will acknowledge this somehow.

edited 11th Dec '15 8:06:32 PM by BaffleBlend

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#16493: Dec 11th 2015 at 8:09:21 PM

The only thing that bugged me about the "Frieza/Freeza" gag is that the gag mocks the spelling by claiming it wouldn't sound right, but -ie- words with soft consonants after the double vowel actually are typically pronounced with a hard E sound in English, not a hard I just because there's an I in it.

They made the new Dragon Balls able to both bring back people multiple times and bring back any number of people. It's why they only grant two wishes instead of three like the Namekian Dragon Balls. Goku just kinda decided to stay dead instead of reuniting with his family, he didn't even do it so he could train, because he can train much better on Earth anyway where he can get artificial gravity.

I looked it just to be sure while making that post, and unless it's a error across multiple manga translations it's definitely a plot point that getting the two wishes only allows them to resurrect as many people at once, not resurrect a single person more than once.

Dende says the bit about trading being able to resurrect multiple people for two wishes before trying, and it's explained a short while later that in doing so they're unable to bring back a person more than once. It then comes up again when they try to bring Goku back: Goku shows up to tell them to stop while they (or rather, Yamcha) are discussing trying to find another way to do it.

edited 11th Dec '15 8:24:54 PM by KnownUnknown

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#16494: Dec 11th 2015 at 8:23:28 PM

Okay. The manga states it pretty clearly.

Earth's Dragon Balls after Dende becomes God still can't revive a person multiple times. It was a choice between either that or mass revivals. Also, Earth's Dragon Balls have a total of three wishes. It's just that a mass revival eats up two of them. The plan to bring Goku back was to use Shenron to teleport them to New Namek where they'd use Parunga to bring Goku back.

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#16495: Dec 11th 2015 at 8:29:26 PM

Wait, do you mean that a mass revival counts as two wishes, or that giving the dragon the mass revival ability lowers its wish count by 1 permanently?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#16496: Dec 11th 2015 at 8:29:59 PM

It's the latter. In giving it the ability to mass resurrect, the Dragon now only has two wishes max - regardless of what you actually wish for.

edited 11th Dec '15 8:34:06 PM by KnownUnknown

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#16497: Dec 11th 2015 at 8:32:16 PM

I thought it was the latter too but previous discussion seemed to imply that it was the former.

edited 11th Dec '15 8:32:58 PM by LSBK

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#16498: Dec 11th 2015 at 8:47:57 PM

Actually, it's the former. If you don't wish for a mass revival, you get three of them. The bit from Ressurection "F" is a plot hole.

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#16499: Dec 11th 2015 at 8:54:38 PM

I mean, look at Goku when he first becomes Super Saiyan versus when he masters it. In the former, he is usually looking pissed off. When he smiles, it's a smile of smug satisfaction. In the latter, he's just regular Son Goku with blonde hair.

That is because he was angry at the time, nothing more. As it was already stated, no one else in the series displayed berserk tendencies. Gohan in SSJ2 might count but it is another form and it is Gohan. And, of course, after the battle with Cell, there is no indication Gohan had any trouble controlling himself.

He did that to make Frieza suffer though.

No. Goku straight up tried to save Freeza. He was conflicted about it for a while then gave the energy and said Freeza could go. At no point it is implied he wanted Freeza to suffer at all.

Actually, it's the former. If you don't wish for a mass revival, you get three of them. The bit from Ressurection "F" is a plot hole.

I am very curious where you guys got that. That wasn't the case at all in the translation I've read. I mean, Earth's Dragon Balls have always been able to do mass revivals and that never ate 2 wishes (else it wouldn't work before Dende).

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#16500: Dec 11th 2015 at 9:27:09 PM

Viz's official English translation. Dragon Ball Vol. 39 Chapter 469 (DBZ Vol. 23 Chapter 275) Page 138. See for yourself.

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