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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#16376: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:34:55 PM

It might be a bit nonsensical, but I liked that filler fight. Gives the humans a victory at least.

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16377: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:35:52 PM

Wasn't the thing about the characters going to King Kai's in the manga?

Isn't Yamcha's corpse a meme?

Like, I know we didn't see Piccolo at King Kai's in the manga, but I could have sworn it was mentioned.

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#16378: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:36:30 PM

I violently hate it. It gave false hope to Tien's fans the Tien would be a powerful and awesome combatant after Namek. I suspect it singlehandedly spawned the Krillin v. Tien argument because the only reason anyone thinks Tien kept up during the Namek arc is that he defeated Jeice and Burter simultaneously.

EDIT: They went to Kaio-sama's in the manga, they just didn't fight the Ginyus or do anything else. And Yamcha's body vanished offscreen; Toei put in some filler about Bulma stashing the cast's bodies for safekeeping because, again, they didn't get that "keep your body" isn't a metaphor.

edited 10th Dec '15 7:38:32 PM by TobiasDrake

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16379: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:37:44 PM

Didn't Vegeta either blow himself up or turn to stone?

Didn't he have a body when Yenma sent him back to Earth to fight Buu?

I think the whole "body" thing is more complicated and self-contradictory than you're making it out to be? Even in the manga?

edited 10th Dec '15 7:38:26 PM by unnoun

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#16380: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:39:06 PM

They can make them new bodies. That's why Chiaotzu had one in the afterlife even after he blew himself up. It's not standard but it can happen.

edited 10th Dec '15 7:39:32 PM by LSBK

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#16381: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:39:29 PM

Bodies can be reconstructed by divine beings. That's why Goku didn't have a hole in his chest; because God repaired the damage when he bestowed it to him.

The same happened to Vegeta. His body was repaired and passed off to him, leaving no mortal remains on Earth.

When you keep your body, it disappears from the world, the damage is repaired, and your soul is put inside it.

edited 10th Dec '15 7:40:05 PM by TobiasDrake

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#16382: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:39:30 PM

[up][up]Next time he gets a Free Sundae!

edited 10th Dec '15 7:39:39 PM by Guy01

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#16383: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:40:48 PM

So if their bodies are repaired and returned to them, why are they still dead?

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#16384: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:41:17 PM

Because they died. They have a halo and everything.

The line between "Alive Guy" and "Bodied Dead Guy" is thin, but there are some distinctions. Corpses use less energy, for instance.

edited 10th Dec '15 7:41:46 PM by TobiasDrake

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#16385: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:44:19 PM

And then there's the whole "If you die while you're already dead you cease to exist" thing. That doesn't care if you're a disembodied soul or not.

edited 10th Dec '15 7:44:54 PM by LSBK

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16386: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:45:27 PM

...I think that was also an anime thing?

There's a few lines with Goku in the Buu Saga where Goku doesn't seem to worry about a lot because he's already dead.

[up][up] Goku still gets hungry and eats!

edited 10th Dec '15 7:45:55 PM by unnoun

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#16387: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:46:16 PM

I think Cessation of Existence for double-death was in the manga. I could be wrong.

That "Keep your body" is literal is also why, when a bodied character is resurrected, the halo over them vanishes and then they have to walk home from the afterlife, while characters who didn't keep their bodies are revived wherever their corpse fell.

Toei screwed this up too by having all the humans training with Kaio-sama appear in Bulma's courtyard when their wishes were made.

edited 10th Dec '15 7:47:16 PM by TobiasDrake

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16388: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:52:26 PM

...What about the part where Vegito was half a dead guy?

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#16389: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:56:07 PM

Vegito can still fight even when he's fucking candy.

I don't think any normal rules apply to him.

Though now that you bring it up, I do wonder what would have happened if the Vegeta half of him ran out of time for his restored life while still fused.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#16390: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:56:14 PM

He should have half a halo. :P

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#16391: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:56:50 PM

Half a halo would have been amazing.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#16392: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:01:02 PM

Is it really any less selfish than bringing people back to life? I mean, he's basically saying "hey, take the bomb out of the thing I want to put my Destructo Dick into

You did not just say that. [lol][awesome] I tip my hat to you for beating me to it.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#16394: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:12:12 PM

The only time I can remember the cessation of existence thing coming up in the show was when Buu showed up in the afterlife and fought Krillin, which I'm pretty sure was anime-only (I might be incorrect about that, though - I don't own the manga for Buu like I do Cell/androids)

edited 10th Dec '15 8:12:31 PM by KnownUnknown

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#16395: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:13:16 PM

IIRC, it came up when Vegeta was holding the line against Pure Buu. If Buu killed Vegeta, he would cease to exist.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#16396: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:13:36 PM

Ah, alrighty then.

I think you're right about that. I do vaguely remember a bit where someone is leery about Vegeta joining in because of it in the show.

Also, I just realized that the last big fight in the series is going to involve the glorious return of the "imma chargin' my attack" gag. Awesome.

edited 10th Dec '15 8:19:08 PM by KnownUnknown

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#16397: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:25:22 PM

[up][up]Also when he came to Earth to fight super Buu. I might be wrong, but I think it is stated he would vanish if he died in battle(which was supposed to be his fate, anyway). That same scene had Toriyama make a point to explain why Vegeta still had his body (Ema/Kaioh/someone kept if, just in case).

edited 10th Dec '15 8:30:54 PM by Heatth

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#16398: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:29:54 PM

I violently hate it. It gave false hope to Tien's fans the Tien would be a powerful and awesome combatant after Namek. I suspect it singlehandedly spawned the Krillin v. Tien argument because the only reason anyone thinks Tien kept up during the Namek arc is that he defeated Jeice and Burter simultaneously.

I mean, Piccolo seemed to think he could handle namek after his training, so it seems fine that the other trainees hit similar levels of power. They'd still be outclassed by everyone that came after, since the powerlevels are rising so rapidly by that point. Let them have their victory there.

Also I think you all make way too big a deal of those afterlife mechanics. So Toei fudged how some of the rules work, it's not like it really matters all that much.

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#16399: Dec 10th 2015 at 8:32:46 PM

Also I think you all make way too big a deal of those afterlife mechanics. So Toei fudged how some of the rules work, it's not like it really matters all that much.

Despite everything, Toriyama tried to be consistent with his story, so it sucks to see Toei to fuck it up. Furthermore, this is just some examples among many.

Btw, it was mentioned earlier, buy Bulma preserving the corpses was in the manga. Maybe Toiei screwed the timeline a bit, but the reason Goku moved his fight with Vegeta was precisely to avoid damaging the corpses. I think it is mentioned Bulma gathered them up after the fight. This used to be the standard procedure. But, by that point Kami started getting involved, so the corpses were preserved through divine magic anyway(even Chaos').

edited 10th Dec '15 8:34:54 PM by Heatth

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#16400: Dec 10th 2015 at 9:16:00 PM

She is shown gathering the corpses and putting them into caskets in the anime, I believe, right after Goku fights Vegeta.

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