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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#15951: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:14:40 PM

They aren't really that strong are they?

Oh really when?
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15952: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:15:06 PM

I mean, according to Saiga, yeah.

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#15953: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:15:18 PM

They shouldn't be.

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#15955: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:29:36 PM

Yeah that really doesn't make sense.

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#15956: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:47:15 PM

I don't believe Goten and Trunks are stronger than 18 in their base forms, but I do believe they are when either one is a Super Saiyan.

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#15957: Dec 2nd 2015 at 9:50:21 PM

That makes a lot more sense.

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#15958: Dec 3rd 2015 at 12:09:38 AM

Goten and Trunks' base forms aren't stronger than 18. She was winning that fight, and Kuririn told her to hold back. Even if you don't believe Super Saiyan is a multiplier Vegeta makes it clear that it is a consistent boost for everyone.

But their Super Saiyan forms are definitely stronger than her, so much so that she doesn't want to fight them directly.

I'm offended by Goten going Super Saiyan while sparring against Chi-Chi

Does it help any that this is just dumb filler?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#15959: Dec 3rd 2015 at 12:21:32 AM

The flashback was unnecessary in general, because it didn't actually explain why he transformed.

He got aggressive and it just happened.

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#15960: Dec 3rd 2015 at 3:29:00 AM

Yeah. The jerk said so many hateful things when he transformed.
To be fair, that was a joke / Call-Back in the Japanese version that got lost in translation.

She originally said "delinquent", not "monster" like she does in the dub.

You see, in Japan, bleaching one's hair is a sign of being a punk. And in the Cell Saga, that's what she accused Goku and Gohan of doing when she saw them as Super Saiyans for the first time.

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#15961: Dec 3rd 2015 at 5:23:48 AM

"Looks are a vital part of being a delinquent. Amateurs should try bleaching their hair blond to look tough."

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15962: Dec 3rd 2015 at 5:32:16 AM

I mean, it apparently didn't upset her enough to not make Goten.

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#15963: Dec 3rd 2015 at 5:34:26 AM

That's because the Super Saiyan Swagger is very much real.

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#15964: Dec 3rd 2015 at 5:54:29 AM

I actually had a DBZA dream last night; Abridged!Adult Gohan met Canon!Goku. Gohan acted bitterly and coldly towards him, and Goku was just wondering what on Earth he DID so he could apologize.

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#15965: Dec 3rd 2015 at 5:55:37 AM

Didn't Goku end up telling Gohan to go to the Lookout to play with Dende towards the end of the 10 days?

I seem to remember that in the manga.

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#15966: Dec 3rd 2015 at 7:45:33 AM

How did ghost Turles last even 3 seconds against super Saiyans?

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To be fair, that was a joke / Call Back in the Japanese version that got lost in translation.

She originally said "delinquent", not "monster" like she does in the dub.

You see, in Japan, bleaching one's hair is a sign of being a punk. And in the Cell Saga, that's what she accused Goku and Gohan of doing when she saw them as Super Saiyans for the first time.

Exactly this. It was a cultural response to Goku taking her son away and then bringing him back blond. We don't have an equivalent "Blond = Punk" thing so they had to take a different approach. They did not do a very good job of it and Chi-Chi's character suffered as a result of playing it as racism against her husband and son.

Given his character, I suppose they maybe could have tried for the Dumb Blond stereotype. "I've spent the last decade trying to make our son a genius scholar and you made him blond?!" Might still have fared poorly for her, but it had to be better than replacing "delinquent" with "monster".

There really was no good way to preserve the gag, but emphasizing that Chi-Chi is concerned about his hair color, not his species, would have mitigated a lot of the damage.

edited 3rd Dec '15 7:48:29 AM by TobiasDrake

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#15967: Dec 3rd 2015 at 7:55:46 AM

... that actually would have been good. Although I guess they might've been worried about offending all the blond kids watching (remember, the dubs are for kids), which is something that the Japanese don't really have to worry about.

I could vaguely see a kid getting sad from hearing the TV say that people think blondes are stupid. Ooooooooof course this is immediately after the TV says "TURNING BLOND MAKES YOU SUPER POWERED" so... yeah.

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#15968: Dec 3rd 2015 at 8:09:14 AM

Couldn't they just have said "Delinquent"? Or maybe "bleached-hair hooligan"?

It's not like Bleach needed to rework the bits where people think Ichigo's hair color is dyed to look tough.

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#15969: Dec 3rd 2015 at 8:33:54 AM

I was kidding. And talking about Goten, not Chi Chi.

edited 3rd Dec '15 9:17:05 AM by wanderlustwarrior

JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#15970: Dec 3rd 2015 at 8:34:15 AM

I recall the Portuguese version using "delinquent" anyway, with Chi-chi thinking Gohan was trying to look like a spiky-haired rocker. At least I remember Chi-chi reacting to the change like an old-fashioned mother would react to a teenage son/daughter getting a pierced nose without permission.

(Also, I wonder if the whole "dyed hair = delinquents" thing is why Android 17 dyes is hair. Granted, he does it the other way around, but maybe it's a subtle visual joke)

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#15971: Dec 3rd 2015 at 8:39:47 AM

The American equivalent would be if your kid's Super Form gave him a green mohawk.

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#15972: Dec 3rd 2015 at 9:11:26 AM

@Enlong: Bleach had the advantage of establishing the whole "bleached = punk" thing from the very beginning, whereas in DBZ we (the audience) are already long-accustomed to the Super Saiyan form without establishing any connection like that. You also have different standards from different timeframes, with Bleach trying to stick more to the original script and DBZ trying to make it more accessible to American audiences (at least I presume, anyway).

Still, I'm surprised a lot of the Chi-Chi hate stems from that one particular instant. I always assumed it was a more general "Chi-Chi can't fight and acts like a bitch all the time" sort of thing.

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#15973: Dec 3rd 2015 at 9:31:26 AM

Wasn't she at least semi-comptent in the original Dragon Ball, or am I not remembering right?

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#15974: Dec 3rd 2015 at 9:34:54 AM

She seemed to be, but her only serious fight was against Goku, who was stronger than everyone at that point.

In the manga, she'd only shown up during the Fire-Mountain Arc, then didn't appear again until the Piccolo Jr. arc as well, so there was a large gap between her first and next appearance, so we've never really seen what she was capable of either.

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#15975: Dec 3rd 2015 at 9:37:23 AM

That was her only fight, mang.

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