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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#15651: Nov 22nd 2015 at 6:25:13 AM

[up] Perhaps. I mean, if you didn't like it, then you didn't like it, but it's still worth considering a different perspective.

edited 22nd Nov '15 6:25:29 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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#15652: Nov 22nd 2015 at 7:36:47 AM

And his ultimate rage quit move would be "MERRY FREEZA DAY!"

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Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#15653: Nov 22nd 2015 at 7:41:54 AM

One thing I've noticed about Ivan is that both Cooler and Gero sound very similar to each other. However, he still does a good job regardless, and the voice he uses does fit both of the characters.

The voices are very similar, but I've noticed subtle differences. His Gero voice sounds older and a tad sillier to me (since he's supposed to be way out of his league), while Cooler sounds more intimidating.

What DBZA doesn't do, however, is showcase just how talented of a mimic Ivan is. His bit as Gaara in Death Battle was a very good channeling of Liam O Brien, and his role as Gekko Moria is an extraordinarily good impression of the original seiyuu. Lani can still run circles in terms of sheer talent, but I think part of that is Lani just having a much larger resume.

edited 22nd Nov '15 7:42:04 AM by Watchtower

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#15654: Nov 22nd 2015 at 10:07:27 AM

[up]Ivan voices Ichiya though, so I think he wins by default. [lol]

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#15655: Nov 22nd 2015 at 10:21:05 AM

I haven't found any clips of Ivan as Geko and that's annoying me. >:(

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#15658: Nov 23rd 2015 at 9:09:50 AM

Regarding Favorite TFS Joke

Another poster gave the fantastic exchange already where Goku messes up Frieza's attempt at an intimidating rhetorical question, but for me, Frieza's response sells every interaction he has with Goku:

"Oh my god, I traded Vegeta for this."

Frieza now understands buyer's remorse.

You know, saying someone is in a "gay" marriage sounds weird to me. He's gay and he's married, putting gay before the marriage seems like "otherizing" it. Is that a word? Is it weird I brought that up?

Cyanide and Happiness perfectly summarized my thoughts on the matter.

Ending of episode 44

I didn't like it much either, but in a good way, if that makes sense. It felt like the kind of thing you're not supposed to like. It was a horrific establishment of Cell's character, the kind of thing that can just be inferred to be happening offscreen but is sort of important to actually show if you want your villain to inspire that visceral sense of revulsion.

It was awful to sit through, but it made Cell more punchable as a result. It's the unpleasant aftertaste in your mouth, the backwash of horror that comes up even when he's at his most charming and witty to remind you that he is an ugly, horrible thing.

This is important for Cell. Frieza's villainy was in both his goals and his methods. Everything about him was monstrous, and so it was easy for him to remind you how much of a monster he is with every word that comes out of his mouth while still being hilarious and clever.

Cell's motivations get a little murky when he achieves his Perfect Form. He's only really a villain because he goes out of his way to kick puppies. He needs a few good, solid puppy kicks to justify being the Bad Guy.

edited 23rd Nov '15 9:12:01 AM by TobiasDrake

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#15659: Nov 23rd 2015 at 9:11:32 AM

I just thought it was funny. I really didn't feel uncomfortable about it.

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#15660: Nov 23rd 2015 at 9:21:08 AM

Basically, if Cell wasn't so gleefully willing to horrifically murder people for sustenance and later lulz, he wouldn't be a villain. He'd be a time-travelling warrior who traveled to the past to slay the two homicidal androids trying to murder our hero and then have awesome fights with the protagonists forever. He'd be Trunks, but better.

Cell's villainy is encapsulated entirely in the fact that, in addition to being the Enemy of My Enemy, he's also a sadistic horror. TFS needed to show that.

A non-sadistic horror Cell would have slotted right in next to Piccolo and Vegeta like, "Hey guys, it's a good day for fighting, let's have some awesome battles today! Who's up for a jolly good spar?"

edited 23rd Nov '15 9:22:26 AM by TobiasDrake

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#15661: Nov 23rd 2015 at 9:33:15 AM

[up]True but it seems like you're implying that Cell being sadistic and evil is strictly for that reason and doesn't make sense.

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#15662: Nov 23rd 2015 at 9:52:50 AM

No, it makes perfect sense. 4/5 of his genetic makeup consists of sadistic assholes, assuming his Piccolo genes are pre-Character Development.

What I'm insisting is that because Cell's motives aren't particularly villainous, his means need to be established to be so pretty early on. By the time we reach the Cell Games, it's a little late for him to suddenly start being a dipshit - and most of his asshole behavior during that arc is ambiguous.

The early rampage of Imperfect Cell establishes him right off the bat to be a monster that needs to be opposed. It sets an important tone for his character before setting him against the other villains. This tone is necessary, because it allows the audience to even consider Cell absorbing 17 and 18 to be a bad thing in the first place.

If we and the protagonists weren't thoroughly turned off by Cell murdering innocent people en masse to obtain his power, Cell would be the antihero of the arc and arguably a less vile one than Vegeta was on Namek. This early massacre is what made him a villain. It's a very important part of his character.

edited 23rd Nov '15 9:54:03 AM by TobiasDrake

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#15663: Nov 23rd 2015 at 10:18:50 AM

"Bad guy does bad things." How is this a discussion?

I've said it before, but most of Lord Slug is pretty much my favorite "moment." People embracing Jesus' death army, Piccolo's savviness about the Quirky Miniboss Squad, his dealings with the "big tough ugly stupid one" (especially his "Neat" before blasting him), Piccolo's entire gambit at the end ("WHAT"), and Goku's awkward small talk with giant Slug followed by a high speed Kamehameha are all great.

Buuuuuuuut gun to my head, my favorite moment would be Piccolo shaking Gohan going "Hey. Hey Gohan. You wanna do that thing… where you get really mad and start beating the guy up… Gohan… Gohan…? Don’t you f**king ignore me." Perfect delivery, lampshading the source material, and just really funny as hell.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15665: Nov 24th 2015 at 1:41:44 PM

It says to sign in to view the video.

It works on their site, though.

Weird.

EDIT: ...So I have no idea why I can see it when I embed it but I still can't watch that one.

edited 24th Nov '15 1:52:46 PM by unnoun

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#15666: Nov 24th 2015 at 3:23:51 PM

Oh god the voices.

I like the extra Krillin lore they came up with for SSW. Also, SSW predicted (18's role in) ROF.

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#15667: Nov 24th 2015 at 3:58:05 PM

I decided to rewatch all the abridged movies and noticed that Christmas Tree of Might Part 2 doesn't load on their site (it still works on Youtube though).

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#15669: Nov 24th 2015 at 6:08:27 PM

[up][up]Christmas Tree of Might has honestly become part of my repertoire of Christmas specials I must watch yearly.

It's almost time again.

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#15670: Nov 25th 2015 at 8:59:16 AM

Same. Any time my household is like, "It's that time of the year again, let's watch a Christmas special," we usually start with Christmas Tree of Might.

That opening tune of, "Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell ROCK THE DRAGON, DRAGON BALL Z!" really does a great job setting the tone we want for the holiday season.

edited 25th Nov '15 9:00:47 AM by TobiasDrake

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#15672: Nov 25th 2015 at 12:44:21 PM

So Beam Struggles are a feature, and you can deflect super move beams as a counter. And Counters are still super moves. And Freeza's tail is OP.

edited 25th Nov '15 12:44:43 PM by VeryMelon

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#15673: Nov 25th 2015 at 1:00:39 PM

One thing I remember about Final Bout is that a lot of different kinds of moves can be beam struggled with everything else (like Cell's Barrier, I think), which is something the Budokai and Tenkaichi games only sorta got around to (iirc, Budokai did type-struggles-type, so the Death Beam could struggle with the Dodonpa but not the Kamehameha).

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15674: Nov 25th 2015 at 1:11:05 PM

The Death Beam could beam struggle the Kamehameha.

The guys did it in their Budokai 3 playthrough.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#15675: Nov 25th 2015 at 1:22:09 PM

Piccolo's Destructive Wave was the only non-beam move that could beam struggle with anything.


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