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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#15526: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:10:50 PM

I previously posted a way that the movie could sort of have a place in the timeline: immediately after Cell announces the Cell Games, if instead of going in to the HTC with Gohan, Goku suggested Yamcha and Tien get a day: to help Tien with that whole "I am a warrior" thing and to reaffirm his friendship with Yamcha. Pretty much everything except for Trunks' physical appearance and the timing of the destruction of Gero's basement works. it even explains why Spirit Saiyan is the only thing that worked to stop Super 13.

Also, Somewhere someone suggested that Vegeta was stronger than Goku because it took more hits to the dick for Vegeta's voice to break. Umm... no. Super 13 could just be much stronger than Meta Cooler (fuck this movie).

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15527: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:13:01 PM

Goku and Gohan went into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber before Cell became Perfect.

Vegeta and Trunks went into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber before Cell became Perfect.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#15528: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:18:21 PM

If this is based on their Android arc selves than Vegeta would logically be stronger than Goku. But then, it's a Toei movie, so Goku was probably stronger.

[up][up] That doesn't even come close to fitting in the timeline anywhere.

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
...what am I even DOING here?
#15529: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:19:42 PM

Yeah, the simple answer to that is they forgot that Vegeta was saying "Do I hear five?" rather than "That makes five!"

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#15530: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:20:42 PM

Saiga isn't Toriyama. It's been clearly established by TFS that Toriyama's username is "Vegeta's dad's dicks" or some variation thereof.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#15531: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:21:10 PM

Saiga can't be Toryiama.

He remembers way too much about the show to be Toriyama. :P

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15532: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:22:03 PM

[up][up][up][up]I dunno how much stronger. But yeah. When Vegeta showed up up to the fight with 19, he was stronger than Goku was at that point.

...Which, I mean, isn't saying much considering Goku was dying, but. I think he'd still have been stronger even without that. Probably.

...I'm also not sure whether Goku got a Zenkai from 19 and the heart virus. Definitely not as big of one as the one on Namek, but. Maybe a small one.

edited 20th Nov '15 4:25:13 PM by unnoun

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#15533: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:26:58 PM

How do we know he was stronger?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15534: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:28:23 PM

I think the characters say they think he might be.

Which. I dunno.

Like, again, Vegeta was definitely stronger than Goku was while dying.

Which is a very impressive accomplishment.

edited 20th Nov '15 4:29:13 PM by unnoun

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#15535: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:29:06 PM

Goku outright says that Vegeta was stronger than him when he wakes up.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15536: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:29:29 PM

...Yeah okay I didn't remember that.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#15537: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:33:50 PM

Huh, cool.

Throw the Dog a Bone, huh?

Even if that dog did try to blow up half of the cast.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15538: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:41:29 PM

...I think I consider Goku probably the most reliable source on who is and isn't stronger.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#15539: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:53:01 PM

Piccolo first says Vegeta is stronger, and he also acknowledges that Goku vs 19 isn't his full power (as he knows what Goku is capable of).

And then Goku says Vegeta is stronger when he wakes up.

It wasn't until the Cell Games thing (which admittedly is very soon after) that Toriyama introduced the whole "Vegeta can never surpass Goku NO MATTER WHAT" thing and started talking about how inherently special Goku was.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15540: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:57:51 PM

...Piccolo's a good choice too, actually. Usually.

[up] I mean, from a narrative, structural standpoint, that was basically inevitable from the start.

EDIT: I can't remember if we talked about this, but Saiga, while you're here, how in the hell did 24 hours pass between Piccolo starting the fight with 17 and Cell reaching his Semi-Perfect form?

edited 20th Nov '15 5:02:21 PM by unnoun

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#15541: Nov 20th 2015 at 5:18:25 PM

...Piccolo's a good choice too, actually. Usually.

That and babysitting is all he's good for anymore. :/

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#15542: Nov 20th 2015 at 5:23:01 PM

[up][up] The Androids depart from Goku's place (which is empty) around the same time Goku takes Vegeta to the Room of Spirit and Time. Because they're not flying, it takes them almost a full day to arrive, as said by the narration.

So Piccolo vs 17 / Cell fits in a the tail end of Vegeta and Trunks' training.

edited 20th Nov '15 5:23:33 PM by Saiga

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15543: Nov 20th 2015 at 5:33:36 PM

Because they're not flying, it takes them almost a full day to arrive, as said by the narration.

...You mean they didn't fly there?

...God it has been a while since I've re-read or re-watched this show.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#15544: Nov 20th 2015 at 5:46:53 PM

Well they would have had to fly to the island once they got to the sea (since they didn't appear to swim) but they were sticking to the van before that at 17's insistence.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#15545: Nov 20th 2015 at 5:50:51 PM

Were they driving a van for any reason other than Toryiama needed to stall for time? :P

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15546: Nov 20th 2015 at 5:53:06 PM

...So TFS actually wrote themselves into a plothole there.

...Do they actually know that?

I mean, either way I think doing it that way and then lampshading the living hell out of it is funnier.

edited 20th Nov '15 5:53:35 PM by unnoun

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#15547: Nov 20th 2015 at 5:53:13 PM

Vans are awesome.

17 says so, and he's a cool guy. You should always believe cool guys you see on television.

edited 20th Nov '15 5:54:23 PM by KnownUnknown

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#15548: Nov 20th 2015 at 5:53:59 PM

The jokes everyone makes about how the hell 20 hours passed are kinda great.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#15549: Nov 20th 2015 at 5:54:02 PM

17 realizes that it's already way too easy for them to just fly to where Goku is and kill him, so he's handicapping their side basically.

[up][up][up] They might have missed it, I don't know if the anime even keeps that narration. But they're perfectly fine with sacrificing accuracy for the sake of a joke anyway.

I mean, it's also their version, so things are different to begin with. They could just be taking advantage of the fact that the average fan wouldn't know the time passing was accounted for.

edited 20th Nov '15 5:55:18 PM by Saiga

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#15550: Nov 20th 2015 at 6:57:46 PM

One small thing I like about Super 13 is that the movie is consistent with the series with having Piccolo be stronger than everyone else there: when everyone else is taking their turns to attack Super 13, he doesn't move an inch, when Piccolo attacks, there are movement lines from behind 13.


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