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Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#15076: Nov 5th 2015 at 8:32:04 PM

Spirit Bomb absorption is one of those cool things that's best not thought about for very long

As I understand it, even Japan hates [Broly].

I think the split is based on whether you're more drawn to characters or power levels. A good portion of the fanbase is fond of him

edited 5th Nov '15 8:47:17 PM by Hylarn

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#15077: Nov 5th 2015 at 8:45:48 PM

The Dude Bro POWERLEVELZZZ crowd love him, everyone else hates him with a passion. No matter the country, Its one of the few consistent things about the Dragonball fanbase.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#15078: Nov 5th 2015 at 9:07:48 PM

Crawling In My Skin can be Broly's theme in the first movie. But when he returns even edgier in the second, it becomes this.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#15079: Nov 5th 2015 at 9:16:48 PM

edited 5th Nov '15 9:17:13 PM by BaconManiac5000

what do you mean I didn't win, I ate more wet t-shirts than anyone else
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#15080: Nov 5th 2015 at 9:24:37 PM

[up][up][up]But since power levels are bullshit, doesn't it not matter that he had the highest power level since it will be inevitably surpassed by the time the next arc rolls over?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#15081: Nov 5th 2015 at 9:41:19 PM

Power Levels are not bullshit, they are legitimate tools for measuring character's strength levels relative to each other, and Broly is overhyped non-canon garbage that needs to stop existing in all forms of media for the future.

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#15082: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:04:10 PM

Power Levels may not be bullshit, but I still don't like 'em.

But I do like seeing people react to them.

edited 5th Nov '15 10:05:07 PM by Enlong

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Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#15083: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:04:52 PM

Power Levels may be bullshit, but I kind of like 'em.

edited 5th Nov '15 10:05:05 PM by Gilphon

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#15084: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:08:11 PM

Nah they are complete bullshit.

If you wanted to actually quantify a person then it needs to be at least be separate stats like a baseball card and not just a single flat number. It flat out ruins the fun of a hell of a lot of fights.

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#15085: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:10:22 PM

Power Level quantifies one stat. The output of ki (or equivalent). Stuff like speed and tactics are separate. Speed in particular can either go up or down with ki, depending on the specifics of your power-up technique.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#15086: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:10:47 PM

Whether I like them or not depends on how the series in question applies them but even with that I usually find them ultimately inconsequential.

Edit: But also they're [up] but I've notice most people who hate them confuse them for [up][up].

edited 5th Nov '15 10:14:32 PM by LSBK

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#15087: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:13:32 PM

I liked how Shaman King used it. Kind of did some examining of how putting a number to your power forces you to perceive your own limitations, and how thinking you're mathematically outclassed can sap you will to fight a battle you could win.

(and how osme numbers really are insurmountable and require different tactics)

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#15088: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:14:39 PM

[up][up][up] It doesn't matter, it is the sole determining factor on who is going to win or not in the damn show.

edited 5th Nov '15 10:14:54 PM by Memers

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#15089: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:17:01 PM

[up]The thing you're complaining about would be true whether they stuck a numerical value on it or not.

Frieza would still would have insanely outclassed everyone he fought on Namek, except Super Saiyan Goku, whether we got numbers on it or not. They didn't even provide power levels during the fight.

Edit: Whether you think it makes the "problem" more visible or jarring is one thing but Power Levels, as in the values, were not the cause of that. Another thing I'm confused at why people don't understand.

edited 6th Nov '15 6:15:30 AM by LSBK

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#15090: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:23:06 PM

Power Levels are not bullshit, they are legitimate tools for measuring character's strength levels relative to each other

I mean, I guess you could measure the power levels of Yamcha, Krillin, and Tien relative to each other, but ultimately they have the same power level of "gonna get stomped".

After a certain point being way more powerful than the last guy doesn't really change what the fights are like other than who can fight them and how small the energy balls they use to destroy planets are.

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#15091: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:25:39 PM

Skipped the last 8 pages, looking at this page, I assume I just missed Power Levels talk?

[down]SSB? Super Saiyan Bod?

edited 5th Nov '15 10:30:32 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#15092: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:26:55 PM

Goku and Piccolo beat Raditz despite being much weaker than him put together. SSB Goku beat Golden Freeza despite being weaker because Freeza didn't train the form. USS 1 Trunks was far outclassed by Cell despite being stronger. Power Levels matter, but in no series they exist in are they the end-all be-all.

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#15093: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:35:31 PM

Blueper Saiyan Goku beat Freezbear once Freeza hemorrhaged enough ki to become weaker than him.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#15094: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:38:16 PM

I just noticed something.

Why is the Richard Cheese cover of Down With The Sickness playing in the restaurant Goku and co. are eating at before 13 and 14 attack?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#15095: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:38:54 PM

[up][up][up][up]Super Saiyan Blue.

And Golden Frieza was stronger than that form? Huh. I never realized because Goku never felt like he was on the ropes. I guess fighting skill does matter somewhat.

edited 5th Nov '15 10:39:01 PM by Moth13

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#15096: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:43:08 PM

Nah, Goku was losing quite a bit at first.

It's just that Frieza went to fight Goku right after learning that form, and therefore wasn't able to hold his liquor energy.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#15097: Nov 5th 2015 at 10:45:15 PM

They stopped the fight in the middle to show that Goku was injured while Freeza was unharmed. Goku then explained that Freeza not training his new form was stupid and the fight slowly fell towards Goku from then on.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#15098: Nov 6th 2015 at 12:03:32 AM

The Dude Bro POWERLEVELZZZ crowd love him, everyone else hates him with a passion.

This is such a huge generalisation and it's really not accurate. Broli has fans and haters on both sides of the spectrum, including people who put characterisation first.

There is more to Broli than his muscles or power. He's got fans interested in him for other reasons as well, like how he is a villainous Super Saiyan (the first real example we had), how he embodies the Vegeta's original ideal for the Super Saiyan while utterly horrifting thd current Vegeta, how he draws much inspiration from Sun Wukong's myth just like Son Goku, and how he's different from the villains who came before him.

Oh and Japan doesn't hate him exactly, lampooning him is a prevalent meme but that would be like saying the west hate Yamcha. Or saying the Japanese hate Yamcha. Etc.

The parodies aren't really mean spirited, and Broli is contractually obliged to appear in the video games because of his popularity. They even use Broli to sell Japanese-exclusive media, which is where his new Super Saiyan 3 and 4 forms originated from.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#15099: Nov 6th 2015 at 12:19:04 AM

Can I just say how much I love "My trucker hat! Ya plumb done gon dagum did it now, son!"

If I can ever convince my brother to play Raging Blast 2 with me again I'm going to say that whenever my hat gets blown off by an attack.

edited 6th Nov '15 12:29:24 AM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#15100: Nov 6th 2015 at 5:06:51 AM

Didn't Toriama make Power Levels to be kind of unreasonable? Like Frieza's army kept assuming that the level was low because that's what the scouter said and they lost?

This would presume that they had no issue beforehand with the scouters and that they do have some use of giving someone a base idea.


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