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#15001: Nov 4th 2015 at 11:58:18 AM

Yes, they have. They foreshadow the movie villains a lot. Broly and Cooler both appear during the Bardock special, Cooler ordered Ginyu to do the Daddy's Little Princess dance when Frieza collects the Dragon Balls, 17 makes fun of 13 shortly after he and 18 are awakened, etc. Bojack being imprisoned in Kaio-sama's planet, while not entirely accurate, is another of those.

It's impossible to make the movies perfectly line up with the story's chronology but TFS certainly does their best to make them at least feel less sudden and isolated.

EDIT: Speaking of 17's mockery, I was certainly not disappointed when 13 finally got to deliver his line. "I'm Android 13. Look at mah trucker hat."

edited 4th Nov '15 12:01:08 PM by TobiasDrake

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#15002: Nov 4th 2015 at 12:02:46 PM

You know, I didn't actually think that was a thing that 13 said, and was just 17 poking fun at his appearance.

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#15003: Nov 4th 2015 at 12:04:55 PM

That was just 17 poking fun at his appearance, but I got chills when 13 actually said it.

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#15004: Nov 4th 2015 at 1:21:44 PM

Appearance? More like his southern dialect...the emphasis on Trucker Hat.

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#15005: Nov 4th 2015 at 1:22:41 PM

Yeah, that was making fun of the way he talks more than how he looks. They had a fairly long gag dedicated to that.

edited 4th Nov '15 1:23:10 PM by LSBK

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#15006: Nov 4th 2015 at 1:24:14 PM

Well, I thought it was his appearance at the time, since I didn't think that he had an obsession with pointing out his trucker hat.

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#15007: Nov 4th 2015 at 1:32:50 PM

Meanwhile, on the other side of it, it's true that Gohan was supposed to remain the main character right up until the point when Ultimate Gohan battled Super Buu and Toriyama decided he didn't really like Gohan as The Hero that much and wanted Goku to have his torch back. However, it's often claimed that Toriyama was caving into pressure from the fandom to make Goku the main character, which is patently untrue. Much like the "Toriyama was forced to continue by his editors" rumors at the end of every single arc in the series, saying he was forced to make Goku the main character is just a way of lending credibility to a dissenting opinion by saying, "The author REALLY agrees with me, they just MADE HIM do the other thing."

I think the only thing that even gives it slight credence is that during that time, there was a Shonen Jump Popularity Poll where Gohan ended up being ranked lower than Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta and Gotenks. But then again, Gohan was Put on a Bus for a good portion of the Buu Saga too.

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#15008: Nov 4th 2015 at 1:39:35 PM

Right. I recall Saiga debunking that point once by pointing out that Gohan was at the height of popularity before he was Put on a Bus and came right back after, but I can't recall the sources for that. Saiga's way better versed in the metashow than I am.

In any case, there's usually a false claim of "Word of God says that it was supposed to end at Piccolo/Vegeta/Frieza/Cell and Gohan was supposed to be the main character but then he was FORCED to change it," but unless someone can cite the interview it took place in, I defer to my good friend, the 16th President of the United States.

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#15009: Nov 4th 2015 at 1:59:54 PM

[up] Truer words have never been spoken.

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#15010: Nov 4th 2015 at 2:08:37 PM

Amusingly, 18 mocking 13 is the first actual line of Super 13 Abridged.

Speaking of the movie, what did 15 mean when he said that booze doesn't do anything for him "anymore"? Is he a cyborg? It's just, the other Gero-bots (Gerobots) call him android 15, and his head-case has machinery inside it rather than a brain.

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#15011: Nov 4th 2015 at 2:22:21 PM

I think it's just a comment on how the heavier a drinker you are the less it does for you. As has been established, the guy was a serious alcoholic.

edited 4th Nov '15 2:22:50 PM by LSBK

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#15012: Nov 4th 2015 at 2:27:01 PM

[up][up] I think it's pretty clear that someone, somewhere had no idea what an android was.

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#15013: Nov 4th 2015 at 2:35:13 PM

And his name is John Cena Goku.

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#15015: Nov 4th 2015 at 2:55:12 PM

Truer words have never been spoken.

I see what you did there.

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#15016: Nov 4th 2015 at 7:02:56 PM

My prediction for Broly is...well, first they're probably going to make a whole bunch of professional wrestling jokes that'll go over my head. But second, I think they'll just make Broly The Berserker and have everyone else make fun of how ridiculous this premise is.

And Goku makes everything worse by being Goku.

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#15017: Nov 4th 2015 at 7:09:48 PM

And instead of Vegeta being such a goddamn blubbering pussy about "oh shit, he's the legendary Super Saiyan", he just sits out the fight because he doesn't give a shit.

Or maybe he was bullied by Broly as a kid or something. Broly needs to be depicted as being a dumbass, because he kind of already is in canon.

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#15018: Nov 4th 2015 at 10:03:58 PM

I just want Paragus to be like his Big Green counterpart.

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#15019: Nov 4th 2015 at 10:42:32 PM

[up] I second that. Shakespearian Paragus ftw.

If they hadn't already done that bit with Gohan, I'd think they would do Hulk with Broly.

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#15020: Nov 4th 2015 at 11:02:26 PM

But Wimp Vegeta is most hilarious Vegeta.

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#15021: Nov 5th 2015 at 12:37:45 AM

I want broly to be the whiniest bitch ever in the series with a voice higher than Goku's Japanese voice.

Turn that guy into the overrated sissy he really is. wink

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#15022: Nov 5th 2015 at 2:55:30 AM

I can imagine Paragus and Broly having a Han/Chewie dynamic, with Broly only speaking in grumbles, yells and moans, but Paragus translating all of that to eloquent English. Bonus points if Goku also understands Broly's language.

Then again, they had a similar joke going on with Cooler's robots, so who knows.

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#15023: Nov 5th 2015 at 3:01:14 AM

Right. I recall Saiga debunking that point once by pointing out that Gohan was at the height of popularity before he was Put on a Bus and came right back after, but I can't recall the sources for that. Saiga's way better versed in the metashow than I am.

Gohan topped the popularity polls at the end of the Cell Games, because of the whole Super Saiyan 2 and defeating Cell stuff. The Boo arc poll was published after Boo absorbed Gotenks and defeated Gohan, but the votes would have been taken and totaled much earlier (Jump has issues prepared weeks in advance). Due to Gotenks placing highly on the second poll, I believe it may have been conducted while he was prominent, which would also mean Ultimate Gohan was yet to be a thing.

So it doesn't seem likely Toriyama would be influenced by these polls to remove Gohan, because judging from the results he could easily make Gohan the most popular again by simply having his Ultimate power-up successfully lead to him saving the day. There's also the possibility that Toriyama had made his decision before the poll was conducted, since Evil Boo's plan seems to have been set up pretty early on.

I think another factor in Toriyama choosing to bring Goku back was that he was already falling back on old storytelling styles. The Boo arc originally started off not just with Gohan as the lead, but a completely different style and tone. Maybe the two had to go hand in hand for him. So when the storyline became something close to the earlier "Z" era arcs, he also brought back the protagonist from those arcs.

edited 5th Nov '15 3:04:28 AM by Saiga

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#15024: Nov 5th 2015 at 3:46:30 AM

[up]Makes sense. A protagonist like Gohan certainly fit the Saiyaman storyline more than what Dragon Ball usually does (heck, he'd fit a traditional superhero storyline as well)

Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#15025: Nov 5th 2015 at 5:43:34 AM

Boo (and Toriyama) was probably preparing for Gohan since he fough SSJ 3 Gotenks

Since there was emphasis placed on Gotenks explaining that his power had a time limit and Boo making note of it, rather than a reaction being retconned in

edited 5th Nov '15 5:44:28 AM by Medigo03


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