And I still believe that you're wrong if you think Vegeta's reaction was due only to the gender reveal.
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edited 17th Sep '15 5:40:43 PM by HextarVigar
Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.Okay, lets me rephrase: I felt that the punch line was "Dodoria being a woman is gross", and that is awful. Sure, Dodoria appearance might be gross, but that doesn't have shit to do with her gender.
The main problem with that recurring joke is that I felt we are meant to agree with Vegeta and that simply doesn't sit right to me. Vegeta often voices his horrible horrible opinions, but most of the time were are not meant to agree with him. He is the punchline, not whoever he is talking about.
Frankly, I think it's kinda funny and neat that someone can go from Auteur Theory
to Public Enemy
to DBZA Episode 1
and have it not be jarring.
Even if that is the case in that episode, which I am not sure I agree, it definitively not in the other times this came up. Those definitively felt like "Dodoria is a woman, lol" jokes.
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I kinda like how he is analyzing DBZA on its own, independent of the original show. Kinda make me wish I could see someone's reviewing/livebloging/commenting on it completely blind. Does DBZA actually stands on its own? I find kinda doubtful, but still, the storytelling is much more solid than I would expect.
I find it doubtful. DBZA wouldn't have a coherent narrative if they didn't actually thought about what they were doing. It is not just jokes.
Also, Kaiserneko
enjoy the reviews, so I would say there is truth in them.
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Those aren't mutually exclusive.
And, I mean, a lot of those 'long explanations' were relatively basic narrative structure things, and other times it was stuff that was just straightforwardly accurate- Nappa and Vegeta on the bug people planet was absolutely darker humour than the serious had been previously. This was, in fact, probably not a coincidence.
Really, I find a lot of people underestimate the degree to which you can pick apart any piece of fiction over multiple paragraphs without saying anything that's not obviously in the work itself.
Overanalyzing isn't a thing.
Overanalyzing isn't possible.
...Also, yeah, that.
edited 18th Sep '15 3:45:35 AM by unnoun
Wait wasn't Vegeta's reaction at first to Dodoria being a woman a simple "Huh what?"
And after he heard her life story and how she was the most fertile and got the offer to be her Husband did he get grossed out by it.
I think it went that way but I could be wrong.
Wait what kinda details would she include if she added Fertile to her list of things she was.
What I really like about that review is the effort it makes to understand TFS's intent, ultimately concluding that they most likely didn't mean it while still addressing the problematic undercurrent. Because looking back at it (Episode 15, btw), it's fairly vague beyond the "most beautiful and fertile woman" part and is wrapped up as quickly as it came. It's practically innocent compared to Zarbon's Running Gag of gay Double Entendres.
Kaiser's completely professional response is just as good.
The main problem with that recurring joke is that I felt we are meant to agree with Vegeta and that simply doesn't sit right to me. Vegeta often voices his horrible horrible opinions, but most of the time were are not meant to agree with him. He is the punchline, not whoever he is talking about.
I think I get it. It's similar to Vegeta's "No homo" as he kills Zarbon. Conflating Vegeta's horrible opinions with a moment where Vegeta is triumphantly awesome creates the impression that the opinions Vegeta is voicing are in the right.
By contrast, when he called Android 18 a washing machine "because you're a woman" and subsequently referred to her as a smug cunt, this is punctuated not by Vegeta triumphantly blowing her away and going, "Amirite guys? F*ck women!" but by Vegeta having his arm broken and being left battered and humiliated in the dirt.
Vegeta feels like he's supposed to be right in his hateful comments toward Dodoria and Zarbon because he punctuates them by winning the fight.
However, I think there's another distinction that's important to keep in mind here: at this point in the story, Vegeta is still a villain, just as much so as Dodoria and Zarbon. Frieza frequently does the same thing, spouting hateful rhetoric as he effortlessly destroys his enemies, but it doesn't feel like we're meant to side with Frieza because he is unambiguously the villain.
So...it's complicated.
edited 18th Sep '15 9:32:47 AM by TobiasDrake
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That is true. I don't think it was intentional from TFS to punch down with those jokes, but I still felt uncomfortable with them, which means the joke is completely lost.
I will say, though, at last Zarbon made clear he wasn't gay. Which means Vegeta (and Freeza) constantly insisting he is one makes them assholes by default and I don't feel I was meant to agree. Compare to the early "Ten and Chaos are gay" jokes, which I still find cringe worthy as I don't have any reason to believe Yamcha was wrong about their relationship.
Zarbon said it best in the DBZ Abriged Kai "Maybe I'm gay, or maybe sterotypes are bullshit."
And they seemed to have ditched the gay jokes with Tien and Chiaotzu in favor of a more parent-child role.
That Frieza got the last word on Zarbon's sexuality bothers me.
If that had just been a throwaway about Frieza being skeptical of the existence of Zarbon's girlfriend, Zarbon's insistence of heterosexuality would override it, but Frieza names the person he thinks Zarbon's girlfriend is. This suggests he's not just pulling accusations out of his ass but actually has at least some level of specific knowledge as to who Zarbon was making all those phone calls to.
edited 18th Sep '15 9:58:02 AM by TobiasDrake
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