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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#14051: Sep 14th 2015 at 7:51:13 PM

I love the ending to this one. Just the perfect note to end on.

Oh God! Natural light!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#14052: Sep 14th 2015 at 8:05:55 PM

Dammit Goku! You were doing so well too!

Krillin glumly realizing that 18 is probably on that Island cracked me up.

Everything else damned near killed me! Vegeta, as always, is priceless, and Cell literally talking out his ass is gonna go down as unbeatable Crowning Moment Of Funny.

One Strip! One Strip!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#14053: Sep 14th 2015 at 8:18:28 PM

What in the episode gave people the impression that Gohan didn't like Krillin?

Anyway, the Genre Savvy jokes were strong in this one. Krillin's resignation about the androids being on the island, Trunks immediately realizing that Vegeta's about to screw everything up before Vegeta even seems to know it, even Vegeta himself got some moments in there.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#14054: Sep 14th 2015 at 8:23:56 PM

Really, Goku just asked the same question I did. Why didn't Gohan go super saiyan? Yeah, it's because Akira Toriyama wanted Goku to beat Freiza, but really Gohan had all the reason in the world to transform first.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#14055: Sep 14th 2015 at 8:34:00 PM

Shonen main character syndrome, no side good guy is allowed to do something or beat the big bad before he does.

Cell Saga tried to get around that in the end but still the rest of DB and DBZ follows that rule to a tee.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#14056: Sep 14th 2015 at 8:36:32 PM

I just watched the episode. It's everything you guys said it was and more!

[up][up] My guess is that there's a minimum power level requirement.

edited 14th Sep '15 8:36:45 PM by Zelenal

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#14057: Sep 14th 2015 at 8:39:59 PM

If anger was the only trigger needed for becoming a Super Sayajin than both Gohan and Goku would have transformed long ago. Goku back the first time Kuririn died and Gohan after Piccolo was killed. I assume there is some minimum power level required or something like that. Gohan simply wasn't there yet back then.

[up][up]That is the out of story reason, though.

edited 14th Sep '15 8:40:17 PM by Heatth

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#14058: Sep 14th 2015 at 9:33:03 PM

Yeah, you can't just power up and become a super saiyan, but you also can't just anger up and become a super saiyan.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#14059: Sep 14th 2015 at 9:40:17 PM

Well yeah, we know this.

These guys are making jokes, but the point is, despite being far stronger at age 5 then all the Z Warriors were at the same age, Gohan was nowhere near strong enough to become a Super Saiyan. He was still lacking that last bit of power.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#14060: Sep 14th 2015 at 9:50:51 PM

That last lousy couple million points.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#14061: Sep 14th 2015 at 9:56:00 PM

Well, a wise man once said life is a game of inches.

A few million inches in this case, but who's counting?tongue

edited 15th Sep '15 7:00:21 AM by HandsomeRob

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DamascaRamza (Ancient one)
#14062: Sep 15th 2015 at 12:18:43 AM

Isn't the minimum power level to go Super Saiyan 100,000 according to Toriyama? It makes sense that next to no Saiyans would be able to go Super Saiyan most of the time if that's the case. I don't know if it's dub only, but Goku does say the transformation comes in response to a need, not a desire. Plus Gohan was kind of too busy freaking out after Piccolo got hit and Krillin died to get pissed and transform like Goku and Vegeta was too busy being full of himself and then dead to transform on Namek.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#14063: Sep 15th 2015 at 12:36:55 AM

Isn't the minimum power level to go Super Saiyan 100,000 according to Toriyama?

Nothing so specific is ever given, just that they need to "surpass the limits of regular Saiyans".

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#14064: Sep 15th 2015 at 2:18:12 AM

100.000 might be refering to the regular Saiyan + Oozaru boost?

Though I'd go with above 180.000,which is a "SUPER SAIYAN ELITE!" in Oozaru form.

Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
The Cat Knows Where It's At
#14065: Sep 15th 2015 at 2:22:14 AM

I dunno, that sounds more arbitrary than usual. I'm just going to stick with Goku's three million for the baseline.

Besides, if you were right then I believe Vegeta would have gone Super Saiyan at some point during the Namek Saga. When he found out that Gohan stole his Dragon Ball, perhaps.

edited 15th Sep '15 2:23:05 AM by Zelenal

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#14066: Sep 15th 2015 at 2:25:03 AM

Eh.Rage boosts are mood swingers.See Vegeta vs Billy.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#14067: Sep 15th 2015 at 2:25:03 AM

Vegeta didn't break 100,000 until his Zenkai from the Ginyu Force. At the time he was pissed at Gohan, his PL was ~35,000.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#14068: Sep 15th 2015 at 2:42:30 AM

Gohan was well above 100,000 when Kuririn died though, which is where the question was raised.

I think the simplest answer is that he wasn't as angry as Goku was. Freeza injured Piccolo, killed Kuririn, and then threatened to kill Gohan. The last two would hit Goku a LOT harder than Gohan.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#14069: Sep 15th 2015 at 2:47:36 AM

That, plus I think that the Super Saiyan minimum is much higher than 100,000. I'm thinking around 2,000,000. Pretty sure the 100,000 thing wasn't said by Toriyama and was just to promote Episode of Bardock.

Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#14070: Sep 15th 2015 at 2:53:35 AM

the plot seems to be going slow because the whole fight was stretched out over 2 episodes, and then there was 1 more for Cell to convince Vegeta

LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#14071: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:56:45 AM

The fight only really started for real this episode. And next episode is going to be about Cell trying to get 18.

Apparently, they're going to be abridging Super Android 13 before Ep 51, though. Which is fine by me. The movies are when they can literally throw out whatever jokes they feel like. So they're always entertaining.

Anyway, back to the most important topic in this threat - Was Goku a jerk in this episode? I'd say he wasn't so bad this time. And Gohan was talking about how he was sort of enjoying their training together, at least before Goku shot a Kamehameha at him. So maybe they WILL resolve their issues before they get out.

And....man...Vegeta is so quotable when he starts getting cocky. Which is, like, most of the time. I don't even like canon!Vegeta that much, but I like Abridged!Vegeta.

edited 15th Sep '15 3:57:00 AM by LOLypop1224

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#14072: Sep 15th 2015 at 3:58:40 AM

Can't wait for Super Android 13 and Goku getting punched in the nuts.

DamascaRamza (Ancient one)
#14073: Sep 15th 2015 at 4:32:56 AM

I'd say Goku was a bit silly and forgot Gohan was on Namek at first, which makes sense since he was very single mindedly focused on beating Freeza in his flashback and telling Gohan about it. The Kamehameha part at the end was him taking the being serious about training part too seriously, but overall he's been a half-decent dad this episode and complimented Gohan's attempt at trying to go Super Saiyan and explained how to do it to him.

I think their issues (Well Gohan's issues, Goku's kind of oblivious to them at the moment) will get resolved in the chamber though or at least get most of the way there.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#14074: Sep 15th 2015 at 4:45:23 AM

Freeza injured Piccolo, killed Kuririn, and then threatened to kill Gohan. The last two would hit Goku a LOT harder than Gohan.

Freeza injured Piccolo

...That first one though.

That first one would have hit Gohan a lot.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#14075: Sep 15th 2015 at 4:48:34 AM

I really don't think that's on the same level. Gohan has snapped over Piccolo being injured before, but this wasn't really bad as those other times (killed by Nappa and tortured by third form Freeza).

edited 15th Sep '15 4:48:51 AM by Saiga


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