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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#13526: Aug 14th 2015 at 1:06:14 AM

I thought the entire point of Vegeta even mentioning beards and mustaches seperately, putting emphasis on the latter, was to foreshadow/mock GT by showing he has a reverence for mustaches.

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#13527: Aug 14th 2015 at 6:50:23 AM

Yeah, there's no way this mouustache joke wasn't a GT reference.

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#13528: Aug 14th 2015 at 7:24:01 AM

Totally a GT reference.

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#13529: Aug 14th 2015 at 9:03:04 AM

He even pronounces it the way he does in GT.

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#13530: Aug 14th 2015 at 4:52:48 PM

Well, obviously Vegeta mentioning moosetaches is, in itself, a reference to GT. I was looking more toward a direct Take That! in the song or video.

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#13531: Aug 14th 2015 at 5:07:12 PM

#TAZELANI

I just about died laughing.

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#13533: Aug 15th 2015 at 3:38:38 PM

You wanna know what I loved about that last one? Despite all of them being bombed, they still manages to play Xenoverse without any real problems.

Also, Lirran playing Bloodborne.

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#13534: Aug 15th 2015 at 4:21:37 PM

So, saw Resurrection of F. Without spoiling it for anyone who hasn't seen it, I was glad they included the Maximum the Hormone song. Also, about Gohan and his power level. After the power-up he got from the old Supreme Kai he should be the strongest character, Super Saiyan God notwithstanding, yet he's treated as being quite weak. I had a thought. Do we know for a fact that the power-up he got was permanent? Maybe it's since worn off and he's now slightly weaker than Perfect Cell. I also remember someone here mentioning that Freeza trained in a black hole to attain his gold form, but in the movie they never mention a black hole at all, so I have to ask, where did that info come from? Also, I don't know what Whis is exactly, but it occurs to me that he could be the same race as the Supreme Kais.

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#13535: Aug 15th 2015 at 4:35:09 PM

I'm surprised this question wasn't posed to the main thread.

Gohan's power up being temporary would be the most nonsensical thing ever. Elder Kai simply took all of the power Gohan naturally held and made it usable to him without needing to transform. Since he had absolutely all of his power without the strain of transformation, he could hold it indefinitely. Him losing that power would be as nonsensical as someone losing access to Super Saiyan just because.

Freeza training in a black whole was likely from the manga version.

We have no idea what Whis is but there's no way in Hell that he's a Kai.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#13536: Aug 15th 2015 at 4:52:02 PM

He's a Whis.

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#13537: Aug 15th 2015 at 4:54:02 PM

I thought Freeza training in a black hole was just speculation.

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#13538: Aug 15th 2015 at 4:58:27 PM

That's probably what he's called yeah.

I wonder if Toriyama regrets making Gohan so strong, since he just gave up on him after.

Looking back, it's not so much that he changed his mind about making Goku the hero, but that he wasted so much time (and Gohan's build-up) hyping Gohan up, then just made it all for nothing.

I mean, what was the point. Did he even think of what he might do if he decided to go somewhere different earlier? Nope! So everything with Gohan was just a massive waste. It served no purpose at all. He got us invested in someone who he ultimately decided wasn't worth it.

Now he has to constantly come up with reasons why Gohan can't do anything, since he's supposed to be stronger than anyone else.

I kinda agree that the Mystic power up wearing off, makes no sense, but that's probably going to be the explanation, because otherwise, they have to ass-pull numerous reasons as to why he can't do anything.

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#13539: Aug 15th 2015 at 5:19:00 PM

#TAZELANI I just about died laughing.

I feel guilty, but I was the one who made the tweet about Lani needing to be tazed because he wouldn't equip Tien's Z-Soul. tongue

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#13540: Aug 15th 2015 at 5:43:18 PM

[up][up] Yeah, that's the downside of Writing by the Seat of Your Pants. Abrupt changes in direction can result in whiplash.

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#13541: Aug 15th 2015 at 6:02:31 PM

If Gohan's power up was temporary, it'd be pretty weird when he still keeps the look ten years later. 'Ultimate' changed his eyes to be fully outlined, a trademark of Super Saiyan and less innocent characters. He has those eyes in the epilogue (and not in RF).

It'd also be pretty poor to say it was a temporary form so far after it was introduced when there was never any hint that it, or any other power unlocking method, was temporary.

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#13542: Aug 15th 2015 at 6:08:12 PM

Yeah, nerfing is generally a poor way to address power imbalance in your show.

Shit, I need to rebalance the characters! Goku and Vegeta grew too out of control! Um... "And then it was discovered that Super Saiyan transformations abruptly turn off when you hit 45, so they'll never be able to do that again." Shew. Nailed it!

edited 15th Aug '15 6:09:22 PM by TobiasDrake

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#13543: Aug 15th 2015 at 8:50:57 PM

Finally caught up to episode 34 of Krillin plays Alien Isolation. [lol]

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#13544: Aug 15th 2015 at 8:56:37 PM

the sad part is that is probably Toriyama's reason for it too.

"Well, Gohan's power was only temporary, that's why he's so weak now. He was never cut out to be a hero anyway."

Its really kinda depressing when you think about it.

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#13545: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:00:41 PM

Maybe it's something you gotta keep up or something.

Like he said in Resurrection F that he had really been slacking on his training.

Oh really when?
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#13546: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:09:30 PM

That would make sense. Old Kai brought out all his power but that doesn't mean it isn't up to him to maintain it.

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#13547: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:17:57 PM

But it's still coming years after the fact, and it'd be one thing for Gohan's strength to slip with training but it doesn't make much sense for the actual changes to how his power worked to also depend on his training. So I can see Ultimate Gohan getting weaker over time, but not suddenly not being Ultimate Gohan after a couple of years.

Especially since Boo arc Gohan wasn't actually a great deal weaker than Cell Games Gohan, with seven years of slacking. Rusty, and no longer had his rage to fall back on, but still very strong. The Daizenshuu goes as far as to say that his loss of strength comes down entirely to his inability to get angry like he used to.

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#13548: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:23:18 PM

One thing I liked about History of Trunks abridged was that, while making Gohan cool, it also destroyed the idea that Future Gohan was someone to be admired, or to aspire to, or to wish for regular Gohan to be. Future Gohan is an insane, miserable, broken shell of a person.

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#13549: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:32:11 PM
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#13550: Aug 15th 2015 at 9:35:45 PM

The way I see it is that, though Gohan's base might've declined in power from Ultimate Gohan, he can still use Super Saiyan to make up the difference. In Power Level terms(approximately, I never assume my numbers are actually right):

Ultimate Gohan: 75,000,000,000

R'F' Gohan: 30,000,000,000

R'F' SS 1 Gohan: 75,000,000,000


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