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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#12901: Jul 8th 2015 at 8:04:58 AM

It's the best policy wherever Gero's decision-making skills are demonstrated.

EDIT: And that all still leaves the question of 16, who appears to have no flaws whatsoever beyond his Gentle Giant nature and is more powerful than 17 or 18.

After 16, Gero's designs just get weaker and weaker for no apparent reason outside of verbal Hand Waves that are never justified because all three Androids that came before 19 operate just fine.

edited 8th Jul '15 8:09:21 AM by TobiasDrake

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#12902: Jul 8th 2015 at 8:15:35 AM

Well there's the fact that 16 is an actual 100% machine Android, while the others are cyborgs, that's a big difference.

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#12903: Jul 8th 2015 at 8:19:29 AM

So is 19, but that didn't stop Gero from slapping a brain case on the model and making it his new body.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#12904: Jul 8th 2015 at 8:20:19 AM

Maybe Gero started losing it in his old age.

Maybe he needs to be sent off to the old robots home.

Oh really when?
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#12905: Jul 8th 2015 at 8:22:23 AM

The best Fan Wank I can give about why the fuck Gero made himself weak is that the infinity generator model is more complex to construct and, so, he couldn't do it to himself properly, so he opted for a simpler model. That have no basis in what was actually said in the story, but it is the best I can do.

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#12906: Jul 8th 2015 at 8:27:36 AM

Maybe it just fucks with his mind and he didn't like that.

but HOW?
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#12907: Jul 8th 2015 at 10:24:44 AM

Well, when they say "hard to control", maybe they mean it literally?

Like, if he put his brain into an infinite energy model he'd be flying into walls and accidentally blowing his lab/the world up?

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#12908: Jul 8th 2015 at 10:27:54 AM

Then why aren't 17 and 18 doing that?

I mean, yes, that's what's implied by the line stating that it'd be hard to control in the state he's in, but why did he have to be a brain case in the first place?

  • He has to be a brain case because he can't be an infinite energy model.
  • He can't be an infinite energy model because it doesn't work with him being a brain case.

This is circular logic.

And it still doesn't answer the question of 16, who is also a fully mechanical android like 19.

edited 8th Jul '15 10:30:04 AM by TobiasDrake

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#12909: Jul 8th 2015 at 10:32:02 AM

Well, 17 and 18 are younger and have more adaptible minds. Gero's brilliant but he's still an old geezer.

It'd be like trying to introduce a complicated video game to your grandparent, regardless of how intelligent they are.

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#12910: Jul 8th 2015 at 10:35:37 AM

Why Gero wasn't a perpetual energy model was directly addressed in the manga.

Android 17 says "oh, you relied on the old energy absorption model. Was that because the infinite energy model was too much to control?" talking about Gero himself so obviously it's not just personality flaws at play here.

Yes, Gero is the Android, but he's still a brain controlling a robot body. It's outright said an infinite energy model would be difficult for him to control in that state.

Okay, thanks for answering that.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#12911: Jul 8th 2015 at 1:10:48 PM

[up][up][up]I don't think 19 is actually fully mechanical. I believe it was heavily implied 16 is unique in that.

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#12912: Jul 8th 2015 at 1:35:34 PM

Pretty sure Android 8 was purely mechanical. Also, pretty sure he looked purely mechanical when Vegeta ripped his hands off then reduced him to a head.

edited 8th Jul '15 1:36:01 PM by Zelenal

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#12913: Jul 8th 2015 at 1:49:36 PM

I thought 8 was shown to be organic, and revived, either to contribute to some Spirit Bomb, or in GT.

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#12914: Jul 8th 2015 at 1:51:17 PM

Android 8 was purely mechanical. It's generally thought he was either revived along with the Earth itself and not necessarily along with the people or Toriyama just wanted to throw him in with all the old faces and just didn't care.

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#12915: Jul 8th 2015 at 2:05:39 PM

Right. Saiga caught me on this exact mistake once before.

Android 8 is purely mechanical and was not revived by the wish to resurrect everyone who died on Earth. He was, however, revived by the wish to restore the Earth itself that immediately preceded the wish to resurrect everyone who died on Earth.

Android 16 being purely mechanical is only noteworthy in relation to 17 and 18. Androids 8 and 19 were also purely mechanical, while Android 20 was purely mechanical with the sole exception of Dr. Gero's brain in a jar on his head controlling him. We see his hand torn offHEY  as well as his head severed, and there's nothing but machinery underneath.

edited 8th Jul '15 2:09:46 PM by TobiasDrake

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#12916: Jul 8th 2015 at 2:52:27 PM

fun thing is until the Trunk Future manga chapter

I don't think the manga androids ever used any energy attacks

they had a forcefield and a timebomb and that was about it. Gero did not even give them nifty eyelasers

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#12917: Jul 8th 2015 at 3:13:14 PM

Eh, I thought 8 was a cyborg also. I don't remember it ever being stated. But he had the Frankenstein appearance, which really seemed like something made of flesh.

Pretty sure Android 8 was purely mechanical. Also, pretty sure he looked purely mechanical when Vegeta ripped his hands off then reduced him to a head.

Pretty sure Android 8 was purely mechanical. Also, pretty sure he looked purely mechanical when Vegeta ripped his hands off then reduced him to a head.

Didn't he bleed also? I thought that he was mostly mechanical but still have some organic matters mixed in. Also, I think he had a brain case just like Gero's.

[up]Out of memory, I remember 16 removing his hands and making a massive energy attack from his arm stumps against Cell (volume 15, I think).

edited 8th Jul '15 3:18:04 PM by Heatth

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#12918: Jul 8th 2015 at 3:16:11 PM

Nooooo, that was oil. Also, Android 8 was purely mechanical. Just because something looks human doesn't mean it is.

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#12919: Jul 8th 2015 at 3:19:20 PM

[up]Vegeta called it oil. Vegeta is not a good source of information regarding the androids. As fo 8, again, I don't remember it ever being stated. But considering they made a big deal about 16 being pure mechanical, I figured this implied everyone else wasn't.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#12920: Jul 8th 2015 at 3:21:35 PM

Um, I think Vegeta can tell oil apart from blood. More to the point, it was never implied 19 was a cyborg so let's not assume he is. Something doesn't have to be directly stated if it's obvious enough.

edited 8th Jul '15 3:22:23 PM by LSBK

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#12921: Jul 8th 2015 at 3:21:54 PM

I still don't know why Gero was so afraid of 16. I get he was a failure, but why would he be frightened of someone who didn't want to fight?

Unless it was like Gohan and he had Unstoppable Rage powers that Gero accidentally triggered once.

The *Legendary* Super Saiyan is motivated by a crying infant! He is a literal giant f***ing baby!
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#12922: Jul 8th 2015 at 3:22:37 PM

[up][up][up] No, that was oil. It was a brown-ish color even in uncut versions, it made the oil squirting sound, and I'm pretty damn sure Vegeta would know what blood looks like on a lot of different creatures. Again, when Vegeta ripped his hands off and reduced him to just a head, all you saw were mechanical bits.

Also, if I recall correctly, it was Androids 17 and 18 making note of it and of course that's something they'd make note of.

[up] Answer: Gero is an idiot.

edited 8th Jul '15 3:23:18 PM by Zelenal

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#12923: Jul 8th 2015 at 3:34:25 PM

Eh, I don't remember the anime at all. But it is ambiguous in the manga. Vegeta's line was something like "Is that blood or is that oil? You are really well made". So, at the very last, Vegeta thought it could be blood. At any rate, I wouldn't trust the anime coloring for anything. Remember Vegeta's original hair color?

Also, if I recall correctly, it was Androids 17 and 18 making note of it and of course that's something they'd make note of.

Fair enough. But, still, it never is made clear whether 19 and 8 have a human as a basis or not.

Incidentally, apparently the anime actually did say 8 was based on someone who had recently died. Of course the anime also said he was built by someone else then Gero, so it doesn't mean much.

edited 8th Jul '15 3:35:47 PM by Heatth

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#12924: Jul 8th 2015 at 3:36:11 PM

19 was based on a doll.

edited 8th Jul '15 3:41:53 PM by unnoun

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#12925: Jul 8th 2015 at 3:55:13 PM

You know, I'm sure there was an advantage to building a fat robot, but for the life of me, I don't see it.

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