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BaleFire Since: Dec, 2009
#11676: May 15th 2015 at 7:20:33 PM

I have no idea if this was in the manga or not, but I remember in the English Dub of DBZ, Semi-Perfect Cell briefly considers that the Androids might have gone underwater to hide from him. He then decides that would have been foolish, with the implication being that Android 16 was too damaged to survive such an attempt.

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#11677: May 15th 2015 at 9:01:24 PM

Fine. Then don't deactivate 18, and instead send her underwater (if she doesn't need to breathe).

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#11678: May 15th 2015 at 9:59:36 PM

Even if she does, she can just hold her breath and fly underwater.

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#11680: May 15th 2015 at 11:04:27 PM

I think she'd be more like a torpedo, really. I'm not sure how the flight thing would work underwater.

Of course, I'm not sure how it works in air either.

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#11681: May 15th 2015 at 11:21:19 PM

Something just crossed my mind while considering Perfect Cell vs. Ultimate Kars in the Death Battle thread:

How did Gero get his androids and cyborgs to fly and manipulate, shield or absorb ki?

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#11682: May 15th 2015 at 11:26:25 PM

Science-flavored magic.

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#11684: May 16th 2015 at 12:19:25 AM

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Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#11685: May 16th 2015 at 1:40:29 AM

In the Manga cell says it'd be pointless to escape underwater

for some reason

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#11686: May 16th 2015 at 5:40:36 AM

See

That's when he had the high ground (air) and was about to level that whole patch of sea in order to flush them out.

Wouldn't have been quite as easy if Trunks was in pursuit, and 18 at least attempting an underwater escape (while Krillin flies off with 16 as a decoy?) might have given Trunks enough time to get away from Vegeta.

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Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#11687: May 16th 2015 at 5:49:56 AM

Trunks would have to be quick though

worst came of it, and Cell would solar flare him and escape and just absorb more people again

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11688: May 16th 2015 at 6:23:16 AM

The characters should wear Sunglasses.

The androids have nanomachines in the games. I think that's neat.

edited 16th May '15 6:23:41 AM by unnoun

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#11689: May 16th 2015 at 6:23:28 AM

Would he be able to absorb enough people to stand even a slim chance against Goku and Gohan when they emerged?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11690: May 16th 2015 at 6:25:22 AM

I dunno.

How much of an increase is it when Cell absorbed the androids?

I mean.

He went from being weaker than Kamiccolo to stronger than Kamiccolo and 17, while being about equal to 16.

Then he absorbed 17 and got a lot stronger, but weaker than Super Vegeta.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#11691: May 16th 2015 at 7:20:53 AM

Somewhere between x50 and x75 Vegetas.Super Vegeta's a x75 boost,right?

If we go by the 1.25x difference being enough to wreck someone,maybe he was at 60x Vegetas.

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#11692: May 16th 2015 at 10:17:56 AM

We don't have an actual number for the Ascended Super Saiyan forms.

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#11693: May 16th 2015 at 10:22:51 AM

We know that both grade 2 and 3 are weaker than SSJ 2.

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#11694: May 16th 2015 at 10:27:05 AM

No we don't. I actually think that Grade III is as strong as Super Saiyan 2. The problem is that it's just too slow.

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#11695: May 16th 2015 at 10:31:49 AM

I hope Tien refers to Vegeta's ascended form as a "Maximum Over-Saiyan".

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#11696: May 16th 2015 at 10:33:23 AM

[up][up]See, the reason I have a different opinion on that is that Super Saiyan Grades 2 and 3 are just unrefined states of Super Saiyan. They aren't different "forms" and they definitely can't be equal to or stronger than Super Saiyan itself, since again, they're basically shortcuts to grasping the power that comes from mastering the form (ie Goku and Gohan after training in the Rosat).

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#11697: May 16th 2015 at 10:36:42 AM

[up] Except that Ascended Super Sayain, regardless of the grade, is stronger than Super Saiyan. They all offer a greater than 50x increase to a person's power. Full Power Super Saiyan doesn't actually increase Goku's or Gohan's any more than it did before, the energy drain the transformation causes has just been drastically reduced.

If Ascended Super Saiyan wasn't stronger than base Super Saiyan, Semi-Perfect Cell would have handed Vegeta his ass.

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#11698: May 16th 2015 at 10:45:55 AM

You have a point. It may just be Goku and Gohan naturally being stronger than Vegeta and Future Trunks in the first place, so they perform better.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#11699: May 16th 2015 at 10:46:09 AM

Goku was pretty beat after fighting Frieza and spirit bombing him. But then he transforms into a Super Saiyan and seems to have plenty of energy to spare despite having next to no energy a minute ago. How does that work?

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#11700: May 16th 2015 at 10:48:57 AM

The first time you unlock a new form your energy gets restored to full.


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