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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11601: May 15th 2015 at 5:34:17 AM

No, it's saying that once Gohan leaves, the door they've been waiting for will open and they'll have wasted that time waiting for nothing because Gohan ditched that plan.

It's like the belief that as soon as you give up on something, it'll happen.

Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#11602: May 15th 2015 at 5:35:18 AM

Maybe he was exaggerating.

Being... hyperbolic, you might say.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#11604: May 15th 2015 at 6:34:21 AM

As Enlong pointed out, Cell becoming perfect sooner won't change anything. It just cuts out Vegeta beating up Semi-Perfect Cell. Perfect Cell still wants a challenge, he'd still wreck Vegeta, Trunks would still make an ass of himself, and then Cell would host the Cell Games.

I'd actually argue that you take way Tien's Hold the Line moment, Cell becomes Perfect much quicker and kills Android 16 before Vegeta and Trunks arrives.

Cell games still happen, but without Android 16 there's no longer a catalyst for a SS 2 Gohan.

edited 15th May '15 6:35:02 AM by Lionheart0

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#11605: May 15th 2015 at 6:42:18 AM

Cell could have always killed Piccolo.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
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#11608: May 15th 2015 at 7:28:25 AM

Cell killing Android 16 wouldn't change much given that Cell killed Android 16 in the original scene. Bulma rebuilds him and removes his Murder Son Goku protocol.

As far as what Vegeta and Krillin did, here's the thing. Krillin refrained from killing a ruthless, amoral person of mass destruction who has demonstrated interest in murdering his allies because her beauty made his boner happy. Vegeta refrained from killing a ruthless, amoral person of mass destruction who has demonstrated interest in murdering his allies because his power made his boner happy.

They're totes different!

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EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#11609: May 15th 2015 at 7:32:07 AM

Android hasn't done much in the Abridged series hasn't she? Like at most stealing some clothes, she hasn't really killed anything yet.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11610: May 15th 2015 at 7:35:26 AM

Vegeta has killed far more people than 18 at this point.

"I will kill as many people as I have to as long as you are one of them!"

EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#11611: May 15th 2015 at 7:37:33 AM

Seriously it's going to take a lot for that face heel turn.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11612: May 15th 2015 at 7:40:10 AM

He's going to need to get a hole in his Trunks.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#11613: May 15th 2015 at 7:47:49 AM

Cell killing Android 16 wouldn't change much given that Cell killed Android 16 in the original scene. Bulma rebuilds him and removes his Murder Son Goku protocol.

What would be Bulma's motivation to repair an already destroyed 16, versus one that was damaged, but functional?

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11614: May 15th 2015 at 7:51:43 AM

I'd actually argue that you take way Tien's Hold the Line moment, Cell becomes Perfect much quicker and kills Android 16 before Vegeta and Trunks arrives. Cell games still happen, but without Android 16 there's no longer a catalyst for a SS 2 Gohan.

There's no reason to think that. After absorbing 17, he blasted 16 and completely lost interest in him. 16 couldn't move after that, and becoming perfect would give Cell absolutely no more reason to finish 16 than he already had.

Even if he did, for some reason, kill 16, then all you need to do is kill some other person in front of Gohan to coax SS2 out of him.

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#11615: May 15th 2015 at 7:57:49 AM

Left to their own devices, the Cell Jrs. would have done that eventually.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11616: May 15th 2015 at 8:00:23 AM

Maybe without Vegeta or Trunks, 16 would feel like he'd need to blow himself up to stop Cell.

Maybe Cell would get annoyed by something, try to blow it up and miss because of how much Vegeta is in him

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11617: May 15th 2015 at 8:02:10 AM

Or, if we go by what the series presents: Ten accomplished nothing, and his existence affects absolutely nothing.

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#11618: May 15th 2015 at 8:05:11 AM

wild mass guessWithout Tien, Cell would have successfully absorbed 18, killed everyone, then flown to Kame House, killed everyone there, then flown to the Lookout, killed everyone there, followed by blowing up the Earth. Tien's fruitless efforts saved the world by stalling Cell for approximately half a day; a minute or so on the Kikoho, and then Cell spent about 12 hours offscreen just laughing hysterically at Tien's claim to relevancy.wild mass guess

edited 15th May '15 8:06:06 AM by TobiasDrake

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#11619: May 15th 2015 at 8:06:36 AM

To be honest, using the same train of logic, that applies to everyone in the cast not named Goku and occasionally Gohan.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#11620: May 15th 2015 at 8:09:53 AM

No, it doesn't. The other characters do actually effect things. Even Vegeta and Trunks' failure there gives Cell the idea to start the Cell Games. Despite not succeeding, it has an impact.

Being completely inconsequential is actually pretty rare. It's almost difficult to be that unnecessary.

edited 15th May '15 8:10:11 AM by Saiga

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11621: May 15th 2015 at 8:16:04 AM

What about Tien vs. Super Buu?

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#11622: May 15th 2015 at 8:17:21 AM

He died 28 times ,got 29 Zenkais,and meant nothing as usual.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#11623: May 15th 2015 at 8:22:49 AM

[up][up][up]Cell's entire endgame was to fight and defeat Goku, the Cell Games itself was regardless. The fact that Cell was so quick to destroy the arena shows that. All Vegeta and Trunks provided him was an inspiration to create a "stage" for his fight.

edited 15th May '15 8:24:00 AM by Lionheart0

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11625: May 15th 2015 at 8:44:06 AM

What if Goku had penetrated Vegeta?

...Seriously, why is that listed as a move on the wiki?

edited 15th May '15 8:46:51 AM by unnoun


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