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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11576: May 14th 2015 at 9:46:29 PM

I mean, 18's not a direct threat herself anymore, and her energy can't be sensed so hiding her is actually fairly damn easy.

If Vegeta had just killed Cell it wouldn't even have been a problem.

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#11577: May 14th 2015 at 9:46:58 PM

What Tien does is cool. It's ultimately completely pointless but it's cool.

[up] When Trunks realized that Cell was about to bait Vegeta into letting him achieve his Perfect Form, he should have immediately appealed to Vegeta so that he could fight and finish Semi-Perfect Cell. You know, something like this:

"Hey, dad, mind if I have a go at him? It's obvious that he's no match for you and I want to see what I can do."

That might have worked.

edited 14th May '15 9:49:18 PM by Zelenal

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Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#11578: May 14th 2015 at 9:49:13 PM

If the Cell-16 fight and Tien's upcoming bit shows anything, it's that DBZ is filled with a lot of moments where someone does totally awesome, but it contributes so little that they might as well had slapped the villain instead.

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#11579: May 14th 2015 at 9:50:20 PM

[up] Which is exactly what Bulma does in Battle of Gods and it contributes just as much as everyone else.

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#11580: May 14th 2015 at 9:51:50 PM

Actually, Tien would have done something useful if it weren't for 18's plot-induced-stupidity.

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940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#11581: May 14th 2015 at 9:52:18 PM

[up]x7 It lasts a full episode.

edited 14th May '15 9:54:52 PM by 940131

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11582: May 14th 2015 at 9:54:23 PM

I mean, I find it difficult to fault Krillin morally for not being willing to kill someone that was scared and isolated and not directly hurting anybody.

Were his motivations entirely altruistic? No, probably not. His attraction to 18 was a factor. Not the only factor, but a factor.

...I feel like the abridged version will have Vegeta let 18 be absorbed partly out of spite for earlier. Because it'd be a neat character thing. Vegeta is actually that petty.

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edited 14th May '15 10:00:18 PM by unnoun

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#11583: May 14th 2015 at 9:55:47 PM

Okay. What Tien does isn't pointless, nor is Cell vs 16. Ignoring Krillin and Vegeta, if Tien hadn't done that thing then Cell would have achieved his Perfect Form a lot sooner and thus would have likely started wrecking everything and killing everyone long before Vegeta and Trunks came around. Remember that the only thing that made Cell decide to hold the Cell Games was his fight with Trunks.

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940131 Since: Feb, 2014
#11584: May 14th 2015 at 9:56:05 PM

Wow. 75%. The last time I checked it was 17%. They're really moving this time.

edited 14th May '15 9:59:59 PM by 940131

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11585: May 14th 2015 at 9:58:22 PM

[up][up] ...Damn good point, actually.

Vegeta couldn't handle Perfect Cell. He'd have gotten his shit wrecked.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#11586: May 14th 2015 at 10:01:24 PM

Wonder if he'll let Cell go to spite Tien instead.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11587: May 14th 2015 at 10:03:46 PM

Tien will have been teleported back to the lookout.

18 broke his arms once and made fun of him for it.

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#11588: May 14th 2015 at 10:07:34 PM

Vegeta couldn't handle Perfect Cell. He'd have gotten his shit wrecked.

Like he did in the actual story.

And then the Cell Game announcemen would happen and oops, we're back on track.

Or, close enough that the Time Patrol would call it a day and go have lunch.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11589: May 14th 2015 at 10:10:59 PM

He'd have gotten his shit wrecked and the planet would have blown up.

He might not have made it out of the time chamber.

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#11590: May 14th 2015 at 10:29:11 PM

Wait. Why, in this scenario, would Cell blow up the planet instead?

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#11591: May 14th 2015 at 10:37:27 PM

If I recall correctly, the only reason he thought of the Cell Games in the first place was due to how disappointing his fight with Trunks was and his fascination with Trunks' and Vegeta's rapid increase in power. Without that fight, who knows what Cell would have done if he had absorbed 18 shortly after absorbing 17.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#11592: May 14th 2015 at 10:51:10 PM

[up][up] He's part Vegeta, Frieza and Cold. Does he need a reason, or an excuse?

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#11593: May 14th 2015 at 10:59:13 PM

I'm honestly looking forward to the next few episodes. If TFS excels in one thing, it's making headcanons that are surprisingly believable. They're not ones for mindless character bashing. (Well, not really). If a character does something stupid in canon, TFS comes up with some rather interesting ways to justify them.

See, poorer writers would just joke about how Krillin wants to get into 18's pants, and that's the only reason why he isn't going to shut her down. But I think TFS has been building up to Krillin's moral dilemma with killing a person who really hasn't done anything evil yet. He's not just blinded by infatuation.

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#11594: May 14th 2015 at 11:14:37 PM

[up][up] I would like an excuse for why he's acting different than himself, yes.

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#11595: May 15th 2015 at 12:16:07 AM

Also, I hope next episode tones it down with the Cell molester jokes. Especially considering it gets REALLY creepy with 18. I know TFS has a crude sense of humour sometimes, but...I dunno. There are some jokes they could make that I don't think I'd find funny.

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#11596: May 15th 2015 at 12:16:56 AM

You'd probably hate Hellsing Ultimate Abridged.

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#11597: May 15th 2015 at 12:47:11 AM

I actually don't mind it, surprisingly. I think it works better there. Hellsing Ultimate turns everything Up To Eleven. Why not do that with the adult humour, too?

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#11598: May 15th 2015 at 4:24:29 AM

And if Krillin had just deactivated 18, Cell wouldn't be a problem.

... and since everyone was stronger than him, he'd be easily taken care of.

... see how that works?

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#11599: May 15th 2015 at 4:59:21 AM

As Enlong pointed out, Cell becoming perfect sooner won't change anything.

It just cuts out Vegeta beating up Semi-Perfect Cell. Perfect Cell still wants a challenge, he'd still wreck Vegeta, Trunks would still make an ass of himself, and then Cell would host the Cell Games.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#11600: May 15th 2015 at 5:31:48 AM

One thing i didn't get this episode.What did Goku mean by "Besides,you know that the moment you start to leave,that door is going to open." or something similar.Did he mean that the moment he tries to be relevant, Vegeta and Trunks will prevent him from that?


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